Interesting Weather Record Set Today

[Wayne SW/MO]

Actually, Wayne, your point was acknowledged. You were asked to show how your concerns about East Anglia (the specific objection you raised) supports your views. Given that those issues drive your position on the topic, one would think that would be a fairly simple thing to do.

i told you why EA bothers me, yet you act like it would perfectly acceptable for me to say I have data that disputes your claim, but I don't want you to have the chance to criticise it, and I lost some of the data, but don't worry I made some up to fill in the blanks. As a layman, what should I believe? according to you, its shut up and accept what you're told.

Eric there is no doubt that anything that produces an excess of CO2 will have an impact, but theres a lot of space out there. But worse, there seems to be no real plan other than to pour money haphazardly into anything that makes it look like we're on top of the situation.

The hype about the Volt and the hybrids is a good example of slight of hand.

Were it not for the bs we would probably be burning natural gas in most of our individual transportation. It produces less co2 and, and, doesn't have to be imported and refined. Local transport like busses could be burning hydrogen and long haul could be burning bio diesel, which would absorb some CO2 before it's refined.

We could be filling spaces with trees, we could do a lot of things rather then give money to handpicked businesses.

[Tim Smith]

i told you why EA bothers me, yet you act like it would perfectly acceptable for me to say I have data that disputes your claim, but I don't want you to have the chance to criticise it, and I lost some of the data, but don't worry I made some up to fill in the blanks. As a layman, what should I believe? according to you, its shut up and accept what you're told. lay out your specific concerns and try to explain objections as best you are able (fixed that for you).

Wayne, scientific papers are rejected in peer review every day. If you think there's a conspiracy out there because some things don't pass scientific muster then we don't have much to talk about. What specific data are you concerned about what blanks were filled in and how do those data invalidate the effect of anthropogenic greenhouse gasses...which you apparently do believe has enough of an effect on climate that it should influence our actions??? You still haven't outlined anything more than a talking point and you're still inconsistent.

And how does a tax break or a subsidy for alternative energy suddenly make it impossible to use natural gas???

[eric1978]

Eric there is no doubt that anything that produces an excess of CO2 will have an impact, but theres a lot of space out there.

But it doesn't just dissipate out into neverending space...it gets trapped in our atmosphere, and in turn the CO2 and other greenhouse gasses trap thermal radiation. Hence the temp increase. It's not that complicated, and it's been thoroughly studied, the data has been collected scientifically and objectively, and it has been proven to be true.

We're obviously grappling with solutions to the energy problem. It's gonna take time, patience, lots of money, and many, many failures before we find a path to clean, sustainable energy. We're only in the infancy stages. But to speed up the process, it's critical that people pull their heads out of the sand and support the research and development that is required to get there. The misinformation and flat out lies from the oil industry is a huge hurdle and is the only reason people deny climate change in the first place...they put politics over science and reason, and ultimately corporations over the environment...in order to tow the party line...in order to keep the oil pumping and the money flowing to those companies. Why average Joe nobodies fight tooth and nail for corporations that screw them every day...I have no idea. All I know is we can't fix this problem in denial. Let's face the facts and get to work.

Maybe natural gas can be a small part of a transitional fix to the problem. But it's still a finite resource, and we already know what kind of damage it can do just getting the stuff out of the earth. It's not a permanent solution. We need big money invested in big ideas to solve this problem, and since big business has decided to sit on their asses and not do anything with their two trillion dollars, the government has to step in and make some investments. Some will fail...that's part of progress. It's better than doing nothing. I haven't heard any ideas out of anyone else.

[Bird Watcher]

I...and the drink of the evening is mojito, thanks.

This is the only post I have read in this entire thread that really disturbs me. What guy drinks Mojitos? Were they out of frozen strawberry margaritas at the liqour store?

[eric1978]

http://youtu.be/q_R6YpLpV90

[Tim Smith]

This is the only post I have read in this entire thread that really disturbs me. What guy drinks Mojitos? Were they out of frozen strawberry margaritas at the liqour store?

Worse than that, I grew the mint myself.

[Jerry Rapp]

I have been checking chinaanglers.com for responses and can't get any feedback on the 500 yrs of data. But when one of the best respected hydraulic engineers in the world tells me something I listen. He had a unique opportunity, and benefited from it. Tim, with all of your contacts maybe you can fetch the data. I am sorry I can't.

[Mitch f]

This is the only post I have read in this entire thread that really disturbs me. What guy drinks Mojitos? Were they out of frozen strawberry margaritas at the liqour store?

LOL

[Tim Smith]

I have been checking chinaanglers.com for responses and can't get any feedback on the 500 yrs of data. But when one of the best respected hydraulic engineers in the world tells me something I listen. He had a unique opportunity, and benefited from it. Tim, with all of your contacts maybe you can fetch the data. I am sorry I can't.

Who collected the data and how did this guy access it?

[KCRIVERRAT]

The aliens inhabiting the salad dressing area known as Hidden Valley are laughing at this thread.

That place is utopia... and they're gonna drown us in poppyseed.

At least that's my dream of a way to go.