Corps Of Engineers "take Line"

[skeeter]

We were told at a lake meeting about 10 years ago by the corp of engineers that the lines were determined 5 years prior to the flooding of the lake. Geoligist surveyors and architechs determined thru elevation and volume measurments where to put not only the take line, but how high to build the dam.

It was pointed out that this was at the time, early 1950's not an exact science. But still very accurate. And I believe that did a very good job, considering the sheer volume of knowledge it would take to do this with the tools they had in the 50's.

Lets just have them take all the friggin private docks off the lake and not alter anything from 950 down. Seems to me that would solve a lot of problems. That would be alot less government buracy and expense. You wannna a dock or to build on the water go to Lake of the Ozarks. For cripes sakes they are trying to keep this from being that,and folks are fighting them tooth and nail. Then the people that are fighting are also the ones that don't want the boat waves messing up their docks and the big boats creating havvoc. Pretty hard to have it both ways.

My wife and I own 40 acres of lake front and view land and we keep it as it was when the lake flooded. So I do have a dog in the fight. We use no fertilizers or chemicals and our privey faculities are arieal evaporation leach fields. I think with all that they got goin on, the COE is doing a pretty good job.

As regards the docks....we both know they aren't going to remove any docks. However, before they issue more and more permits for more and more docks, let's see those numerous slips on the existing docks get filled up that we have seen remain empty for years. Not just in the Winter, but all year round.

I know anglers who do quite well fishing docks but I personally am sick of those new docks being installed on some of the best and most productive shorelines and the necessary subsurface cutting and clearing of timber that goes along with it. Yeah, you can fish docks but that just doesn't compare with fishing a natural shoreline.

[Bill Babler]

As regards the docks....we both know they aren't going to remove any docks. However, before they issue more and more permits for more and more docks, let's see those numerous slips on the existing docks get filled up that we have seen remain empty for years. Not just in the Winter, but all year round.

I know anglers who do quite well fishing docks but I personally am sick of those new docks being installed on some of the best and most productive shorelines and the necessary subsurface cutting and clearing of timber that goes along with it. Yeah, you can fish docks but that just doesn't compare with fishing a natural shoreline.

Plus 100% to what he said.

[GNSfishing]

As regards the docks....we both know they aren't going to remove any docks. However, before they issue more and more permits for more and more docks, let's see those numerous slips on the existing docks get filled up that we have seen remain empty for years. Not just in the Winter, but all year round.

I know anglers who do quite well fishing docks but I personally am sick of those new docks being installed on some of the best and most productive shorelines and the necessary subsurface cutting and clearing of timber that goes along with it. Yeah, you can fish docks but that just doesn't compare with fishing a natural shoreline.

I agree with you 300%... If a person wants to fish docks, go to LOZ they have plenty all lined up dock after dock.. The rock has all of the docks and then some. You're right about empty stalls in a lot of present docks on the rock. I just don't like to fish docks at all..

[riverfish]

when i think of more docks on tr i keep getting a mental picture of grand lake and brown water and debris floating every where

[Billfo]

Guess I was lucky. The Ranger that came out on my request was informative & helpful with my veg permit. I dont have anything bad to say about the COE (yet), but I do apprecheiate the beauty of the lake as it is right now & can only imagine what the lake would have looked like without some sort of shoreline management.

[jdmidwest]

You guys have lake front property and complain about how far you have to walk to get wet in the lake. I have to drive for at least an hour to the nearest Corps lake.

[shark bait]

Skeeter, I 100 percent agree with you. Up in the mouth of Panther Creek there is a big dock that has been built and not a single person keeps their boat docked there. It has about 10 or 15 slips in it and has been there at least 5 or 6 years, maybe longer. It is a good place to pull into if it is rainy or you want to just chill and eat your lunch in some shade.

Becky

[skeeter]

Guess I was lucky. The Ranger that came out on my request was informative & helpful with my veg permit. I dont have anything bad to say about the COE (yet), but I do apprecheiate the beauty of the lake as it is right now & can only imagine what the lake would have looked like without some sort of shoreline management.

Fully agree that shoreline management is needed and welcome...up to a point.... but they need to recognize that big errors were made, or money changed hands (?), in establishing the "take" lines so long ago and maybe do a little re-surveying with state of the art GPS ?? But it's my two cents that the "shoreline management" also means, or should include, not ruining shorelines with issuing more and more dock permits that cover over good fishing banks with eyesore docks....while others sit 80 to 90% empty.

[Billfo]

Empty boat slips still belong to someone.. ie: "private property"... I don't think I would park in someones driveway if no one was home either- but that's just me.

[skeeter]

Empty boat slips still belong to someone.. ie: "private property"... I don't think I would park in someones driveway if no one was home either- but that's just me.

Yessir, they sure do. And I've heard people make good money speculating on them. They buy them up, as many as allowed per dock, as soon as they learn the new dock is going in and then re-sell, or try to, at a big mark-up. That could have something to do with the numbers of year-round, empty slips we see during these tough economic times ?