Mitch f Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Take it easy OTF, I don't think anyone is defending it. I think they are upset about the craziness of the fallout and the double standard. We all have African American friends. "Honor is a man's gift to himself" Rob Roy McGregor
Wayne SW/MO Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 OTF it's pretty hurtful when someone robs you. I reserve the right to use the word and apply it when it fits and I wouldn't unless I thought it was an insult. I also reserve the right to use various words for other races when they're deserved. To hurt someone over an expletive made in anger or ignorance is just the kind of treatment that even blacks abhor. Today's release is tomorrows gift to another fisherman.
ozark trout fisher Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 To hurt someone over an expletive made in anger or ignorance is just the kind of treatment that even blacks abhor. Um to start, no one said they'd ever want to hurt someone for saying that word. I said I'd give whoever said it an "earful" which doesn't mean that at all. OTF it's pretty hurtful when someone robs you. I reserve the right to use the word and apply it when it fits and I wouldn't unless I thought it was an insult. I also reserve the right to use various words for other races when they're deserved. The first amendment protects your right to use that word. That doesn't remotely change the fact that the use of it will offend the vast majority of people, or at least the people I know. Look, I grew up in rural Missouri. I've seen the pain that word and the sentiment that it emobodies can cause, that's why I really can't stand hearing it. This has nothing to do with "political correctness." It's more about not liking to see people treated badly. Honestly, this whole conversation is just painful to me. I was raised fully understanding what that word meant and that it was not to be used. I just have a hard time seeing this the other vantage point on this one. So maybe I'm done with this thread.
Wayne SW/MO Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 Um to start, no one said they'd ever want to hurt someone for saying that word. I said I'd give whoever said it an "earful" which doesn't mean that at all. Uh Paula Dean??? The first amendment protects your right to use that word. That doesn't remotely change the fact that the use of it will offend the vast majority of people, or at least the people I know. Look, I grew up in rural Missouri. I've seen the pain that word and the sentiment that it emobodies can cause, that's why I really can't stand hearing it. This has nothing to do with "political correctness." It's more about not liking to see people treated badly. Honestly, this whole conversation is just painful to me. I was raised fully understanding what that word meant and that it was not to be used. I just have a hard time seeing this the other vantage point on this one. So maybe I'm done with this thread. Do those offended never use words to describe people they feel have deserved it? I don't believe you or your black friends haven't used terms to describe people who disgust them, no matter what the situation, that aren't meant to to be disrespectful. I know you aren't the only one who has had black friends because I have . They would also understand that there are different intents on the usage of the term and, like the "reverends" supporting dean, understand where it cam from. As long as there are people who truly deserve disgust, there will be words to describe them, and the real aim should be to make sure that those who don't deserve it don't receive it. If someone robbed me i would be looking for a kind term to describe them. Today's release is tomorrows gift to another fisherman.
ozark trout fisher Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 The problem with what you're saying, is that the word in question is a highly derogatory term that is most often used by people to describe an entire race of people. It's not simply an "insult" not given what that word has meant to a lot of people who have used it over the years. Some people may say it thinking they mean something else entirely, but that is the understood definition of that word in the society that I live in. Look, I can only speak for myself, and my experience. When I've heard people use that word, it wasn't meant in the relatively innocent way you describe. It was used with the intent to degrade an entire group of people. That's what it means when I hear it. Look, I'm not implying that you're in any way a bad person for your use of it. But if you're honest about meaning it in a somewhat innocent way, it's just not going to matter. If you say it in public, that's just not gonna be the perception. Is it really that hard to simply stop using a word that is so hurtful to so many people?
Wayne SW/MO Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 The problem with what you're saying, is that the word in question is a highly derogatory term that is most often used by people to describe an entire race of people. I can't disagree with that, with the exception of "Most often". Whether you or i agree on anything people of all races are going to reserve some terms to push their displeasure as far as possible in certain situations. I think that is exactly why Sharpton and Jackson came to Deen's defense, they knew the perpetrator deserved it and that you can't wipe out the term as a universal expletive without allowing it when it;s deserved in describing a deserving action. Caucasians aren't immune, ask your black friends what the would call some white person who robbed them. I suspect it wouldn't be complimentary. Today's release is tomorrows gift to another fisherman.
Mitch f Posted June 30, 2013 Posted June 30, 2013 It seems like the pendulum always swings too far the other way. I know the words Racist and Hater Are used way too much these days to describe somebody who doesn't agree with you. I think many of our elected officials want to keep racial division front and center. Keeps the electorate fired up. "Honor is a man's gift to himself" Rob Roy McGregor
jdmidwest Posted July 1, 2013 Posted July 1, 2013 Last night we were watching a preview for a new show on Nick. White family moves into a house that it haunted by 3 ghosts. I said "look, 3 spooks" and was tongue lashed because they were 3 black persons portraying ghosts. And one of them seems to be a cross dresser and the homophobe came out in the conversation too. "Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously." — Hunter S. Thompson
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