Tablerock. Big Indian Little Indian And Camp Area. Boat Breakins

[Billfo]

Im back home now & away from the lake. Anyone know the Shore Patrol & can ask if they have been caught anyone yet or have the activities stopped ?

[Quillback]

I doubt the activities will ever stop.

[exiledguide]

Skeeter check out the constitution which was an extension of the Magna Carta the basis of our laws.

[Tfsh4bass]

Terry (Tfish). Do you have a link to your website on here? Thats some good ideas, being monitored and contacted by movement would be nice. Actually have a few clients that might be interested in that. Give us some ideas. Maybe start a new topic.

And for the ones carrying the guns. It would be hard for me not to take care of the situation myself, but think about the concequinces. Even if you set a leg trap in the boat, a guy steps in it as he rips out your ignition, and you would get sued for everything and sit in jail longer than the thief.

Sometimes I wonder what we are fighting for in this country.

Jason I am a regional sales rep for SecureNet Alarm Systems which is part of Guardian Security and Central Security Group...each have our own .com site with our name but all owned by the same people. Our main focus is residential and small business alarm systems but we do several camera surveillance jobs ranging from 2 camera all the way to 32+. We mostly use Honeywell Security products but also use GE and Speeco. We are one of the few companies that lease camera systems but we also offer outright purchase. Besides camera options on docks you can also have outdoor motions that are unsupervised to your alarm system and just beep/text/email when triggered...range is around 2000'. We do a lot of these in rural areas for driveway alarms but would work the same for docks. Also, I am shocked more dock owners don't have motion lights on their docks.

I pay $50 for every referral I sell so send all you can

[Champ188]

"Lead "em like a duck" ! Yeah buddy ! ROTFLMAO ! Since when has it become unlawful or un-American to protect your property with force ?

Comments like this just put fuel in the tanks of the liberal gun-control wackos.

[Bill Babler]

Neither Missouri or Arkansas Law permit the use of deadly force to prevent thief or protect personal property. Deadly force can only be used to prevent physical harm and can only be used if deadly force is being used against you. Cases where deadly force may be used are in a car jacking when the perpertrator banishes a weapon or on the entry of a home or a business while the owner is present burglary.

Missouri statute is RsMo-563.041

You shoot someone stealing a rod and reel and you are flat going to jail.

Skeeter, you cannot protect your property with deadly force and I believe this has been on the books for a long, long while.

RPS please add your thoughts to this as I'm sure you know. This is pretty serious doing's boys to chunk lead at people stealing lifejackets.

[rps]

Neither Missouri or Arkansas Law permit the use of deadly force to prevent thief or protect personal property. Deadly force can only be used to prevent physical harm and can only be used if deadly force is being used against you. Cases where deadly force may be used are in a car jacking when the perpertrator banishes a weapon or on the entry of a home or a business while the owner is present burglary.

Missouri statute is RsMo-563.041

You shoot someone stealing a rod and reel and you are flat going to jail.

Skeeter, you cannot protect your property with deadly force and I believe this has been on the books for a long, long while.

RPS please add your thoughts to this as I'm sure you know. This is pretty serious doing's boys to chunk lead at people stealing lifejackets.

Look. It works this way. The only thing worth someones life - yours, theirs, whoever - is your family. Protecting anything else with force is guaranteed to get you investigated, interrogated, possibly arrested, and possibly charged. Even if you are acquitted or not charged, I promise it will be the worst experience of your life. The court system is heartless, as it should be. Someday, I want one of you who touts firing a weapon to stop and talk to a veteran officer who has killed in the line of duty - or a vet - and ask them how it felt.

If that blatant appeal to reason did not work, try this: Tell me in three sentences exactly how your dock or your boat is your castle?

[Bill Babler]

Very well said. Thank you very much.

[merc1997 Bo]

Just a quick minute to speak about docks. And, yes we have one. For one thing, we need to get this and keep this in mind. They are not personal property, they are not your safe place they are indeed nothing more than a hole in the water to throw money and time into. As has already been mentioned. They are not your private or personal residence or your lake home. Nothing of the kind. and the crooks know this. They would not enter your home, but they will pick up your junk on a boat dock.

Dock's are nothing more than a wooden structure setting on public property most times out of any type of view that is covered with huge amounts of expensive toys and traps. Our dock is the most expensive yearly investment we have a our lake cabin at Shell Knob. The only reason we keep it is for the kids to swim off of. We very seldom put a boat there and never leave it unattended even over a lunch break.

You leave your boat in a dock even on a lift and it starts degrading immediately. Not to mention you really must not leave anything in it for fear of destruction and theft. Birds, animals, constant movement dirt, insects and the elements immediately start aging your expensive investment. Tarps collect moisture. I have very seldom seen a boat at a dock that was not molded or wet or damp.

Some people were dumb enough to pay 20 to 30 grand for their slip. ie "hole in the water." You could have built a wonderful drive thru garage for that and not restricted yourself to a very small area of the lake to fish. You could have learned the entire lake and fished where ever they are biting, instead of hammering on the same old spots day after day. Even if they are not biting there.

I'm 58 and it takes me no more that 3 minutes to launch or load a boat. It takes longer to raise or lower the lift in our slip.

As has been stated I can fish Taneycomo, Bull Shoals, or any part of Table Rock with easy access with in minutes. If I read that Quill or RPS are hammering them up the river, I can be there in minutes. If Denny is catching them at the Dam. I'm there in 30 minutes. If Champ is catching them out of Kimberling City it is only minutes for me to be helping him.

If my boat is on a lift at the Knob and my gear is in the Cabin I'm just sunk. Yes I catch fish at the Knob, but I'm not opposed to run from Baxter to Eagle Rock either. Most folks with docks will not make those type of runs. They fish a little milk run around the dock where they have caught a fish from time to time.

Took some folks this last week from Baxter. They had a cabin and a dock and they have had the cabin for 25 yrs. They said they wanted to see some new technique and water and learn how to catch Summer time fish. I picked them up and buzzed out of the Big Indian. Kanakut was in full swing at 6;30 in the morning and just beating the water to a froth. We blew 10 miles above Shell Knob and caught and released 52 bass and 2 walleye. In 25 yrs. they had never been above the Shell Knob Bridge. They said why are we going this far? After 30 minutes of fishing there were no more questions, only smiles. I told them If I could catch numbers and it does not have to be 50 right now at Baxter I would have stayed there. That type of fishing is not available at Baxter right now. But by being mobile it is available.

They said they had no idea they could catch fish like this on Table Rock at any time of the year, let along the Last of July. They are always biting somewhere on Table Rock. I drove the boat that far, I'm getting paid. I would usually have just trailered up there to start if that is where I wanted to fish.

Another point is that I never fish the same water two days in a row. NEVER. Nothing will hurt you more than fishing used water. This is one reason that the Big time derby boys struggle here at times. Table Rock will very rarely let you go back. You can fish similar and different, but going back is a receipt for disaster.

Just a few thoughts from a dock owner about docks.

Good Luck all and back to fishing. i am glad you mentioned about how people limit their range if fishing by having a boat in a dock. serious fisherman know how much timber and cover have been removed for boat docks. as bill stated you could have a nice drive through garage for way less money and upkeep. plus have your boat where it is more secure. i have several retired guys that live at emerald beach. they had kept their boats in a slip and had tired of fishing, and that is because they were fishing the same old thing all the time. when i started taking them to other parts of the lake, they all started taking their boat to the house. if you are not fishing other areas of the lake, you are missing out on a lot of fun.

[glennL]

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