Quillback Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 They can disagree with the ACA all they want. It is a law, until they get the votes to repeal it. The end. Yep you're right, but the shutdown continues and on October 17 we face a debt ceiling dispute. We're far from the end.
mixermarkb Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 No, we are closer to the end then we have been since Abe Lincoln saved the union. That's the issue I have with this crop of republicans. They are willing to sink the entire ship to get their way. God please help us all.
Feathers and Fins Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Mark I just have to know, Have you read the Bill the House sent to the senate? for the budget? https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beaver-Lake-Arkansas-Fishing-Report/745541178798856
Quillback Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 No, we are closer to the end then we have been since Abe Lincoln saved the union. That's the issue I have with this crop of republicans. They are willing to sink the entire ship to get their way. God please help us all. You can say the same thing about Obama, he is willing to sink the ship to get his way.
mixermarkb Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 No, I haven't. I'm 39, self employed, and have a wife and 6 year old to support, as well as my fishing habit. I don't have the time to read the bills. I do well to keep up with the few things I read online, NPR, and the TV news. I expect my employees, that I help vote into office to read the bills in their entirety.
mixermarkb Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Obama's way, the ACA, is the law of the land. Passed by the legislative, signed by the executive, found constitutional by the judicial. He has to sink the ship to uphold the law. That is the executive branch's job. 8th grade civics. I couldn't drive a car but I had to learn this dung.
Feathers and Fins Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 You have time to post without knowing and there is the problem people NOT KNOWING either because they want to listen to the media or others comments. I in fact posted the Bill on this very thread! There is no place in it that says defund or repeal! In fact it only ask for a delays, Delays in fact that the vast majority of Americans have asked for and with the deadline for MANDATORY ENROLLEMENT set for 1-1-14 it only is reasonable in a country of 330,000,000 million potential enrollees. A 1 year delay on the mandatory requirement is very much in order. Second is the requirements on Congress. Go read the bill its on page two of this thread. Then answer why the Senate Democrats would not wish to agree to it. Its not big bad or evil it is in fact reasonable to request the delay in the mandatory as the exchanges opened October 1st and have admittedly had many problems. Why not delay it for a year again DELAY, Not repeal or defund. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beaver-Lake-Arkansas-Fishing-Report/745541178798856
mixermarkb Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 Why delay? Why not let it take effect and fail?
drew03cmc Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 No. For those who don't have insurance due to the high costs, getting sick or hurt does, in fact, bankrupt people. The American healthcare system is broken beyond repair and if you don't see that, turn off the Tea Party radio stations, and research the differences between GOP rhetoric on the matter regarding the British NHS or the Canadian system and the facts. If you citizens can't get healthcare for fear of cost, your nation suffers and ends up as unhealthy as this one is. Andy
1969Larson Posted October 5, 2013 Posted October 5, 2013 I don't believe things would be better without the federal government. Call me a socialist all you want, but I'm glad to be part of a United States, not just a Missourian. This shutdown is TOTALLY caused by a small group of republicans/tea party/sore losers, who are demanding everything they ran on in the last election. They can't get it into their heads that THEY LOST. The democrats have already agreed to fund the government at very close to the Ryan budget, with large cuts from where they wanted the numbers to be. The spoiled brats are seeking to overturn the signature law of the democratic party, that has been a law for 3.5 years now, that was tested by the Supreme Court. They are holding all of us hostage to do so. What happens, using this precedent, if a small number of the far left wing of the Democratic Party refuses to fund the government until their gun control demands are met? Or until their is a single payer healthcare system in place?? If the ACA is so bad, let it fail. Let the people vote in people who run to repeal it at the next election cycle. Elections are supposed to be how our system works. This is much more akin to terrorism, and the United States does not negotiate with terrorists. I hope President Obama does not give an inch, because this is a DANGEROUS moment in American history, second only to the secession. I don't care if you believe the ACA is evil, I don't care if you think the Democratic Party requires the blood sacrifice of goats by the dark of the moon to join. What this group of house members is doing is destroying the very process of the constitution they swore to uphold, and it is WRONG. The end does NOT justify the means, when the means is our very system of civics. Regardless of if you like the ACA or not... It doesn't matter if the President likes it and it doesn't matter if the Senate likes it and it doesn't matter if the House likes it. It also doesn't matter who won or LOST. There is a system of checks and balances. Maybe those who wrote this law and passed it without a single republican vote in the middle of the night should have considered getting more "buy-in" from the other side. Had those in favor of a healthcare law done a better job of writing it and getting a balance of support they wouldn't be getting checked right now. The House's constitutional authority to control the pursestrings is intentionally there for exactly such a time as THIS.
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