Mizzou Vs. Florida

[ozark trout fisher]

If only you had something to back that up. Lets see, Missouri played 5-3 Toledo of the Mid America conference and Arkansas state 3-4, Sun Belt conference and of course Murray State. Baylor played 6-2 of the Mid America conference and 4-4 LA- Monroe of the Sun Belt conference and Wofford. So your point that Baylor played a soft schedule in the pre conference is sort of lost in the smoke. The idea that the SEC is all powerful is kind of lost in the smoke also because of their size and bowl record, but they have more chances. They are a strong conference, but it is still hard to judge another conference because a couple of teams lose opening games. Missouri never ran over the Big 12 as I recall. As far as your statement that the ACC was the only other good conference, you would have to burn the woods and sift the ashes to try and prove that theory. If you want to get technical about it, Alabama's championship over LSU never should have happened. Two try's to beat a team and then you're crowned the National champion and played one decent team, although steeped in controversy, outside the conference? Give me a break. best of two or what? Alabama never should have been in that game.

Missouri doesn't have to play a tough non-con because we have tough games in conference play.

So here's a question: you keep dodging the notion that the Big 12 isn't very good, because their teams played terrible out of conference. How else, exactly, would you measure a conference, by who has the nicest logo? Conference play is a zero sum game and is of very little use as a measuring stick.

I don't care whether or not Alabama should have been in the national title game in 2011. It's 2013 and what happened two years ago couldn't be more irrelevant. I'm saying the SEC is much better than the Big 12 or Big Ten THIS year. And if you look at non-conference resumes, the only reasonable measuring stick, that's not an opinion. It's a fact. Any conference power rating would back me up on that. To try to argue otherwise is silliness. If you're a Pac-12 fan, you have an argument. Otherwise, let's be real.

[Wayne SW/MO]

Missouri doesn't have to play a tough non-con because we have tough games in conference play.

I don't care whether or not Alabama should have been in the national title game in 2011. It's 2013 and what happened two years ago couldn't be more irrelevant. I'm saying the SEC is much better than the Big 12 or Big Ten THIS year. It certainly looks that way, but THIS YEAR hasn't been what you're pushing.And if you look at non-conference resumes, the only reasonable measuring stick, that's not an opinion. It's a fact. Any conference power rating would back me up on that. Since when? I don't remember any move to make the early non conference games important. Isn't that the reason they want to force the teams to step up?To try to argue otherwise is silliness. If you're a Pac-12 fan,. Otherwise, let's be real.

You do realize that Missouri had a losing record in the Big 12 and that Texas A & M barely broke over the 500 mark? In your comparison methods wouldn't their success in the SEC speak negatively of the conference?

[ozark trout fisher]

You do realize that Missouri had a losing record in the Big 12 and that Texas A & M barely broke over the 500 mark? In your comparison methods wouldn't their success in the SEC speak negatively of the conference?

Um, other people have been talking about seven straight, but I've been talking about this season all along, because it's the only thing that matters. Seven straight is nice, but it's irrelevant in BCS title contexts.

As for Missouri and Texas A&M: what Missouri or Texas A&M did in the Big 12 50 years ago (or 2 years ago for that matter) has no bearing on the conversation. And those teams haven't exactly been rolling through the SEC, with a combined record of 14-11. That's a ridiculous argument anyway and you know it.

[Feathers and Fins]

Actually NO Wayne. A&M in their first year was unreal and would have been in any conference yet this year the SEC has adapted to their style of play and is giving them fits. Mizz did as expected in their first year but second year they have stepped it up several notches.

There is an old adage about good competition making people better! It is true the SEC is the top conference and either teams work harder or fail miserably no other conference eats itself alive like the SEC can. But look at how it does it, the top teams beat up each other and the bad or rebuilding teams get destroyed but can quickly rebuild.

They rebuild because of several factors 1st is the coaching talent which also leads to the recruitment and that stems from the high number of NFL chances for SEC players. It is a big circle with Mufasa holding Simba ( player ) up for the NFL to see. It is not easy for other conferences to recruit out of the south, Southern boys like being close to home and that is just a fact. Yes some go but many more stay home.

[Feathers and Fins]

And those teams haven't exactly been rolling through the SEC, with a combined record of 14-11. That's a ridiculous argument anyway and you know it.

HUH ( 14 -11 ) Where you pull those numbers out? Combined two year total both schools is 28 -12

[Wayne SW/MO]

It doesn't have any bearing, at least not until you start making it so. Your idea that except for the ACC and SEC there is no teams worthy of any consideration. You brought up the Baylor's preseason was weak and then you try to say it doesn't matter for an SEC team because they have this tough schedule in conference. The problem is history does matter and there has always been an ebb and flow in the successor teams. The SEC is on a ride for the time being, but who knows how long it will last. I know y'all want to say that the teams that are down are only down because of the conference competition, but that's true in college football in all conferences.

F&F you surely don't believe that teams that are average overall in one conference suddenly improve because you think the competition is better? It all comes back to that magical mix, the one that comes more often for some teams then for others. And of course the coach, some coaches are consistent where ever they go and that makes a big difference.

I just hope its AL and ,----probably FSU, but Oregon is good also, but they have looked unbeatable in the past and lost a game. FSU should blow Miami away. Miami's close games are with FBS schools with so-so records. Fsu has shut down everyone but Boston and racked up impressive totals and they don't have anyone in front of them that should beat them or even threaten. can't overlook Baylor though. Most sites give them the toughest schedule in the coming weeks and if they pull through it, it will impress and get them points. OSU is still there, but they don't have the schedule, except for MI and i doubt that will be enough to get them past the aforementioned, if the pack is all undefeated. The other side of the debate is that it's rare to have more than 2 undefeated and even that isn't common. Only one left standing undefeated isn't unusual.

There's a good chance that the SEC will get another NC, but they'll have to play for it despite the fact some think it a formality.

[Feathers and Fins]

I listed the reasons, Coaching, Recruiting and competition. Yes competition I have seen it to many times in all sports to not believe in it to a degree. How many times have we seen an underdog step it up when playing a much higher touted team? It is a small piece of the pie but still part of it.

[moguy1973]

Franklin is set to practice this week and is questionable for the Tennessee game...

[stlfisher]

I hope he can play if he is healthy. My guess is they start with Mauk, and if the game is getting dicey they put in Franklin.

TN is not to be taken lightly, but we should be able to win. Gotta win the next two and use the bye week to get everyone healthy for Ole Miss.

It would help if GA beats Florida as that could potentially create a 3 way tie. MU is in good shape in a 3 way tie scenario, but not in a two way tie with SC. Kinda weird how it could shake out.

[Flysmallie]

OTF and Wayne!! Shut the hell up!!

Nothing you two say matters, don't start a fistfight over college football. You really can't compare any of them the way it's all setup. That's the problem with it. Heck you can't even compare teams in the NFL with any kind of certainty. There are a lot of teams in the running. Let's just enjoy, or compare matchups or something. But trying to compare their chances at a title game based off their past conference history is crazy. None of that means anything right now.