Hjb57 And Sjr42 - Amendment To The State Constitution! (Title Edited)

[Wayne SW/MO]

I disagree, at least on principle. The Commission has to have at least one member of each party and the terms do not follow the governors term. The executive control ends with the appointments available.

At any rate I don't see the alarm at this time. The fact that it's an amendment will mean any opposition will be well advertised.

[jdmidwest]

You do understand that it is those very farms that introduced CWD into the wild population due to no restrictions? The wild deer populaiton brings in about $1 Billion dollars to this state. I can't see any reason to let a $20 million at best entity, with practicaly no employees, dictate the future of the thousands of mom and pops across the state.

How do you come to the conclusion that there are no restrictions in place not regarding deer farms?

I know for a fact, as I have friends that own 4 farms locally, there are restrictions, testing, required paperwork, licensing, etc. in place that is monitored by the MDC at these farms and it has been that way for at least 4 years. I was personally involved in one of them when they started building the deer farm and have a little first hand knowledge. He has since sold out due to losses last season from EHD.

As far as the bill goes, it is the first that I have heard about it having any relationship to the MDC. But I would surely vote against it in a public election. As you all know, I am for a smaller government with less executive powers.

[Chief Grey Bear]

It is all voluntary at this point. And most don't participate with even the minimum of good stewardship. So if your friends did actually do all of that good for them. But even at that, that is just doing business. There are no restrictions on fencing. No restictions on carcass' or parts there of. It is pretty much willy nilly. It is somewhat split between the MDC and MDA at this point and that is causing some of the problems.

[tanvat]

This has trouble written all over it. The bottom line is that the Missouri Legislature - particularly the House - is dominated by morons. Just look at the time they spend proposing silly legislation to fight non-existent problems so they can pander to primary voters. The code of wildlife regs put out by the Conservation Dept. is a collection of administrative rules. Want to dunk salmon eggs at Baptist? Want to ATV as you please on Dept. lands? Want to kill off the rebounding black bear population? Well, there is not only a politician for that, there are scads of them. Imagine the state equivalent of congressman Smith getting involved in micromanaging fishing and hunting seasons/bag limits and rules affecting Dept. lands. Under the guise of "small goverment" the legislature - with no apparent sense of irony - wants its say in matters that have, for decades, been the province of executive administrative agencies. The potential for abuse here is huge. This is a wide-open backdoor for money special interests to control the executive branch via this new legislative check and imbalance. No good at all.

[jdmidwest]

It is all voluntary at this point. And most don't participate with even the minimum of good stewardship. So if your friends did actually do all of that good for them. But even at that, that is just doing business. There are no restrictions on fencing. No restictions on carcass' or parts there of. It is pretty much willy nilly. It is somewhat split between the MDC and MDA at this point and that is causing some of the problems.

MDC does have restrictions, permits, and regulations in place regarding captive deer. The MDC has had them in the rule book going back to 1984 it looks like. Feel free to browse the sections 9 and 10 regarding them. Its a pretty good read and encompasses captivity of all game animal species.

http://www.sos.mo.gov/adrules/csr/current/3csr/3csr.asp

Deer have to be confined to a minimum of a 8 foot fence. Most breeders I know line the fence with some kind of material to keep the deer from being spooked by things walking up outside of the fence and nosey neighbors. They were reguired to send a head in if a deer dies for CWD testing. They have routine inspections by a MDC agent to check compliance with breeding guidelines. Deer are ear tagged and registered, any movement between farms is documented. A vet does an inspection also.

I do believe that the MDC may be trying to put some of the regulation of deer farms off onto the Dept. of Agriculture, but I don't know it as a fact. White tail deer still fall under the wildlife code as many other captive animals.

The trouble with the detection of CWD in deer is that the only real test for it requires a brain tissue sample. It can't be performed on a live deer. And there is alot to learn about the disease that has yet to come to life.

[Chief Grey Bear]

Yeah I have seen those. Those are not restrictions, those are what you have to do so the animal can sustain life. I mean yes technically they are restrictions but as long as you keep out feed and water at least once a day, you are in compliance.

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2013/09/missouri-state-records-show-gaps-in.html

Here is a good read for you and what is really going on. And nobody has clean hands with this.

But we are getting away from the point of the initial post.

[fishinwrench]

Is this the same deal that this thread is about?

ISSUE ALERT-SJR No. 42 and HJR No.57

Dear Glen,

Senate Joint Resolution No. 42 has recently left committee and may be heard on the Senate floor in the near future. House Joint Resolution 57 is an identical bill introduced in the Missouri House of Representatives. We would like to encourage you to learn more about this issue and the effects it would have on our Missouri Department of Conservation in its efforts to manage our fish,forest,and wildlife.

This legislation will establish a permanent Joint Committee on Administrative Rules and oversee all rules promulgated by state agencies, including the Missouri Conservation Commission. This represents a departure from how conservation has operated in Missouri since the 1930s and returns the state to a time when the General Assembly set hunting,fishing and other regulations.

Those who have opinions about this bill should contact their senators and representatives as soon as possible. Name and contact information for members of the General Assembly,as well as the full text of this bill,can be found at http://www.moga.mo.gov/

Please contact your State Senator and Representative and voice your opinion.

Sincerely,

Holly Neill

Missouri Stream Team Watershed Coalition

[Quillback]

Based on that, it appears to me to be a bad idea.

[Guest]

deleted

[fishinwrench]

Yep.

i

Hmm. Well I get those same kinda "Alerts" all the time. It's always something potentially drastic and requiring immediate snuffing. I always ignore them....and never hear another word one way or the other about anything ever changing.

It will defy a long standing pattern if this one doesn't go the same direction.all the others have.

Politics