Stop Unilateral Bans

[Invert Interest]

Hi all Tho i am VERY new at posting on this site.. i seem to have hit upon a VERY controversial subject matter involving the very creature ive been researching (Pros/Cons/economic viability with respect for local law and hypotheticals as an invasive escapee)-various breeds and strains of Australian crawfish/freshwater lobster-in particular interest the Red Claw,f(the breed of choice in already established aquaculture in other states)- or the more delicate Blue Marron (Cherax Cainii)-as candidates for small aquaponics or home aquaria. Simple economics and personal self-sustainability "Spawned" *sorry, had to do that* my interest -and the fact i can no longer afford a simple hamburger and french fry meal combo, let alone sample a finer fare. I happened upon a post in the Ozark Anglers (being a fellow ozarkian, seemed like a good place to surf) circa 2008- and i understand a movement is underway to outlaw any use, import, export, raising, owning, etc of any crawfish anywhere in missouri. Too many laws are being passed without public knowledge or input into too many matters, Please. STATE OF MISSOURI no more broad-pen moves that impact ALL MISSOURIANS, regardless of how seemingly small, until further study. I believe we've all had enough of that. ty, gotta go

[Wayne SW/MO]

I believe we have enough experinece in just the simple movement of one species of crawdad from one watershed to another to warrant caution. I see no need to introduce or allow inadvernent introduction of species not native to even a single watershed.

[fishinwrench]

I'm with you on the broad pen legislation thing...

Felt soles, bottled beer, paddlefish eggs, crawfish, ect. rulings are rediculis BUT the reasonings are pretty solid, and how else can the problem areas of each of the above be kept "in check" other than a full scale ban? At least until "new facts" are uncovered/discovered.

I get the impression that your interest is centered more towards the commercial arena than you indicate. Your posts read far to eloquent and in-depth for someone who is unable to afford a Happy Meal.

(No offense intended there, just openly spilling my thoughts)

How would you suggest that control of invasive crawfish impact issues be dealt with ? Or should they just be ignored for now?

[bfishn]

... i can no longer afford a simple hamburger and french fry meal combo...

Your whole issue is moot... if you can't afford a cheeseburger, you'll not make the first step towards any red claw or blue marron brood stock.

[ness]

Whew. Glad I'm from KS.

[Bird Watcher]

Your whole issue is moot... if you can't afford a cheeseburger, you'll not make the first step towards any red claw or blue marron brood stock.

salient point bfishn.

[bfishn]

Hmmm... they've come down a bit. When I investigated blue marrons ~20 years ago they were $50/breeding pair + air freight from down under.

[Invert Interest]

lol fishnwrench, i think you just paid me a compliment, XD i can go Aspergers all over a subject matter if im into into it enough. See Giant Crawfish thread for what yanked my chain so hard haha if something needs to be done, as in a ban, or to protect whats native and good in Missouri, Than it needs to be done. HOW we come about deciding this is just as important- im pretty much just sharing some additional information on the Red Claw (personally i would rather try the blue marron, its prettier- wouldnt mind growing out a few for the table just to try it). The Whys for the Crawfish ban as proposed by the author of the Giant Crawfish thread, Demanded a Why Not, in reply.If i cant have my crawfish, and eat it too- Fine enough. but i want the reasons, and how those reasons came about, to be able to stand some scrutiny by reasonable people. just an aside, the Australian crawfish cannot survive a single live cycle in missouri. we are just too darn cold, and they cant burrow, or hibernate, and once their gills adjust to dry land, if they should somehow escape, they will drown once they hit water. The biggest challenge to anyone raising this breed will be wintering over, and keeping the predators out of the lobster house(i made that up, actually probably more like an aviary set up, cause they do have some nocturnal land habits, like nibbling grass and bringing it back in the water, *read about it, its there*)ty guys

[jdmidwest]

When is the crawfish boil?

[bfishn]

I looked hard at raising blue marrons in the 90s. I ran a trout hatchery and growout facility and was already growing monster crawdads without raising a finger. They thrived on trout poo, of which there was plenty. Win/win right?

Ultimately it came down to containment. That was a much harder decision to make back when I had $ signs in my eyes. Now, much later and no longer involved in the business, it seems a no-brainer.

A very palatable alternative would be to grow/keep some native 'dads. Kept out of predators' reach, you can grow some monsters. Next to no investment, no big loss if they die or crawl away. And every bit as tasty as the next dad over.