Fishing Guides - Making money on tax dollars?

[ozark trout fisher]

I will say three things:

1.There has been some good, rational discussion in this thread about guides, and what can be a thin line they walk between an an advocate and someone who is protective of the resource vs. someone who exploits that very resource, intentionally or not. It's interesting. I think about 95% of guides want to be the former, but greedy clients/desperation to be successful can draw them to the other side of that.

2. This happened despite the fact that this thread was either started by a blatant troll, or someone who looks so much the part that it doesn't matter if he isn't. Look at the "interests" section of his profile. Actually, if he's dead serious, that would be a lot more concerning.

3. I'm getting tired of members who have been here for years and contributed a lot getting called "trolls" for expressing opinions, by others who have been here for less time and contributed a lot less. Trolls are the folks that never contribute anything while only starting threads with the clear intention of starting a fight. They are not the people that consistently express their opinion and sometimes annoy you in doing so.

[LarrySTL]

If a guide helping someone catch a stocked fish is bad because tax dollars stocked the fish, is it also bad if the guide is working on a lake built by the Corps with tax dollars ? Is it bad when BPS, or Floyd's Beer Bait and Ammo sells an angler a 12 pack and some lures and suggests how to fish those lures ?. Shell Oil if I buy gas on the way to the fishing spot ? Mo DOT and the Feds when I drive to the lake on a highway built and maintained by tax dollars ? The restaurant two miles from the lake that sells me a sandwich to take in the boat while I fish with the guide for the stocked fish ? BTW what if we turn the stocked fish loose, is that still bad ?

Next can we gripe about the farmers paid to not grow as much as they can ? We may not like it, but does that make the farmer a tax cheat ? The billionaire who pays accountants hundreds of thousands of dollars to help him ( hopefully legally) avoid paying more in taxes ?

Also I doubt that guides cheat more on their taxes than anyone else who is self-employed in a business that is primarily sales in cash or by personal check.

I suspect the original post was intended to stir the pot. Even more so the conflating of the original post to the subject of tax cheating.

[fishinwrench]

Well it would suck to have a bass guide trip on LO right now. I fished from 4pm until dark today and could barely buy a strike. This cold snap has given them an extreme case of lock jaw.

It's catfish or nothing on this end of the lake.

[WettinLine]

If a guide helping someone catch a stocked fish is bad because tax dollars stocked the fish, is it also bad if the guide is working on a lake built by the Corps with tax dollars ? Is it bad when BPS, or Floyd's Beer Bait and Ammo sells an angler a 12 pack and some lures and suggests how to fish those lures ?. Shell Oil if I buy gas on the way to the fishing spot ? Mo DOT and the Feds when I drive to the lake on a highway built and maintained by tax dollars ? The restaurant two miles from the lake that sells me a sandwich to take in the boat while I fish with the guide for the stocked fish ? BTW what if we turn the stocked fish loose, is that still bad ?

Next can we gripe about the farmers paid to not grow as much as they can ? We may not like it, but does that make the farmer a tax cheat ? The billionaire who pays accountants hundreds of thousands of dollars to help him ( hopefully legally) avoid paying more in taxes ?

Also I doubt that guides cheat more on their taxes than anyone else who is self-employed in a business that is primarily sales in cash or by personal check.

I suspect the original post was intended to stir the pot. Even more so the conflating of the original post to the subject of tax cheating.

Lets answer a few of your questions- I do have a job after all.

Yes I do think its kind of crap that a guide can operate on public water funded with tax dollars, but I can live with that.

Answering your next four questions is a waste of time, your talking dipshit.

I'd like if the guides did turn the fish loose.

Obviously your not a farmer, or know how that market works so I'll save some time on that cluster of DS.

I don't think guides cheat more then other cash business at all, that is not what I'm staying, but a cheat is a cheat.

Finally (drum roll), the answer is yes, I love stirring the OAF pot! So put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!

[WettinLine]

I will say three things:

1.There has been some good, rational discussion in this thread about guides, and what can be a thin line they walk between an an advocate and someone who is protective of the resource vs. someone who exploits that very resource, intentionally or not. It's interesting. I think about 95% of guides want to be the former, but greedy clients/desperation to be successful can draw them to the other side of that.

2. This happened despite the fact that this thread was either started by a blatant troll, or someone who looks so much the part that it doesn't matter if he isn't. Look at the "interests" section of his profile. Actually, if he's dead serious, that would be a lot more concerning.

3. I'm getting tired of members who have been here for years and contributed a lot getting called "trolls" for expressing opinions, by others who have been here for less time and contributed a lot less. Trolls are the folks that never contribute anything while only starting threads with the clear intention of starting a fight. They are not the people that consistently express their opinion and sometimes annoy you in doing so.

I really don't believe that you would've have taken the time to sit down and hammer out that rant, if you believed what you wrote. I was actually looking for a serious discussion but its impossible with all the hurt butt on this site. Is this facebook, do you need my address and a pic of me on my profile with a list of my likes, dislikes and +1's? Oh right that is me in the pic too! I'm not mocking the guide trade, but I do think regulations on stocked fish should have some different regulations. Get some wet wipes it does wonders!

[Chief Grey Bear]

Phil: You didn't let [deleted member] in for a third time, did you? This thread reminds me of those days.

I think you may be onto something Inspector Clouseau.

[Feathers and Fins]

Well maybe to put it in perspective. Lets simply use stripers as I have data on that.

The 2000 Responsive Management Survey showed 3% of resident anglers fish most often for stripers and hybrids.

Resident anglers spent an estimated $5.7 million fishing for these species. Non-resident anglers spent $110,486,567 fishing (in 1996), and ten percent of them (in 2000) said they most often fish for these species. Non-resident anglers spend an estimated $11.0 million fishing for stripers and hybrids.Together, resident and non-resident anglers spend an estimated $16.7 million fishing for these species. (Source Agfc 1996 Economic Impact of Sport Fishing in Arkansas)

It is now 2015 and the population of Arkansas and Surrounding states has only increased in the nearly 20 years since that survey. Can you imagine the amount for Bass and Trout? A large majority of those out of stater’s hire a guide I know how many I see and sell licenses to weekly and I am just one person at one store. That is direct money generated to the economy from out of stater’s because of these lakes BUT MORE SO because of guides who can take people out on them to catch fish. Now imagine loosing that money generated, where would the fisheries be then?

[ozark trout fisher]

I really don't believe that you would've have taken the time to sit down and hammer out that rant, if you believed what you wrote. I was actually looking for a serious discussion but its impossible with all the hurt butt on this site. Is this facebook, do you need my address and a pic of me on my profile with a list of my likes, dislikes and +1's? Oh right that is me in the pic too! I'm not mocking the guide trade, but I do think regulations on stocked fish should have some different regulations. Get some wet wipes it does wonders!

Seeing as I'm down with pneumonia at the moment, time is something I don't currently lack for.

[WettinLine]

Seeing as I'm down with pneumonia at the moment, time is something I don't currently lack for.

I beg to differ sir, you are still engaged or I'd have nothing to reply to.

[mjk86]

I beg to differ sir, you are still engaged or I'd have nothing to reply to.

Your an idiot and need to find something productive to do. You must be some kind of bored to troll a fishing report website. I would imagine there are way more fun people to piss off than old fisherman.