ned vs. ks fish

[cbass12]

KS management is so far superior to MO

This definitely is not the case, I don't know how anyone could argue that KS does a better job of managing lakes. A prime example is all the little department of conservation lakes that have very good populations of LM, I've spent a lot of time fishing some of them. I think what Dave is referring to is how Wildlife and Parks has been aggressive with establishing smallmouth populations in a select few large reservoirs. He can correct me if I'm mistaken.

[dtrs5kprs]

This definitely is not the case, I don't know how anyone could argue that KS does a better job of managing lakes. A prime example is all the little department of conservation lakes that have very good populations of LM, I've spent a lot of time fishing some of them. I think what Dave is referring to is how Wildlife and Parks has been aggressive with establishing smallmouth populations in a select few large reservoirs. He can correct me if I'm mistaken.

Nailed it. That, and a general willingness to stock bass in large COE lakes, something MO denies is even needed.

MO does a fine job stocking some lakes, and some species, but is a little behind the times on bass and crappie stocking, given the amount of revenue those species generate for the state.

Also a huge difference between the Ozark and Osage lakes, and the little state and county lakes in the northern half of the state. Some of those are gems, some have been utterly mismanaged.

As to why I don't fish more in KS...a lot of those lakes are just far enough from where we live to either require a long day of round trip driving, or an overnight stay. Very few places to stay if you don't like to camp, which I do not. At all.

It's not a KS vs MO thing. I love MO, and intend to live there, hopefully in the not too far off future. When you throw in the stream opportunities it really is God's country. KS is just a little too dusty, windy, and brown for me.

[Ham]

+1 for the streams in Missouri. I remember the first Ozark stream i fished in swmo (Finley river) having only fished creeks (or as McManus would describe them, "cricks"). I was shocked that a person could see the bottom of a body of moving water!

I grew up in the MIssissippi River flood plain. I remember my first trip on the Caddo river which at the time was doing great. I saw all kinds of fish everywhere I looked. Most were not (traditional) gamfish, but lots of them were. It was so very interesting to watch the fish being fish. It still is. I love the creeks and rivers.

[MOPanfisher]

If I am not mistaken, Melvern in particular has a very good smallmouth bass fishery. On the stocking side it is a lot easier to stock a small state lake of a hundred or so acres, where you can even charge a fee to fiish it, as opposed to stocking even a small lake like Pomme at almost 8,000 acres, same with feeders.

[Chief Grey Bear]

This definitely is not the case,

Kansans have a gentleman named Leonard Jirak to thank for a lot of the fisheries we have available. The MO folks could learn a lot from him.

http://www.in-fisherman.com/midwest-finesse/the-irreplaceable-leonard-jirak/

Nailed it. That, and a general willingness to stock bass in large COE lakes, something MO denies is even needed.

MO does a fine job stocking some lakes, and some species, but is a little behind the times on bass and crappie stocking, given the amount of revenue those species generate for the state.

It's not a KS vs MO thing.

It sure sounds like someone is not fond of Mo management practices.

I'm still not convinced that adding feeders to multi thousand acre lakes will do much good.

[dtrs5kprs]

Chief...there are more than a few folks who think MO is a little backwards when it comes to the health of some of the major fisheries. Denial of the need to stock, stocking species that are of questionable value, etc. I find it hard to believe you wouldn't prefer more fish in more lakes. KS made that happen at a lot of fisheries, albeit mostly under 15,000 acres or so. Not just bass either.

I'm not a Kansan anyway. Just happen to live here. For now.

[dtrs5kprs]

If I am not mistaken, Melvern in particular has a very good smallmouth bass fishery. On the stocking side it is a lot easier to stock a small state lake of a hundred or so acres, where you can even charge a fee to fiish it, as opposed to stocking even a small lake like Pomme at almost 8,000 acres, same with feeders.

Most of the KS COE lakes are in that Pomme/Smithville size range. 4,000-10,000 acres or so. Guess maybe the only bigger ones are Perry and Tuttle Creek.

The smallmouth program is a real success story. Hard to argue the success of it, several lakes in the state are full of brownies. Not much to look at, but good multi species lakes.

[Chief Grey Bear]

Chief...there are more than a few folks who think MO is a little backwards when it comes to the health of some of the major fisheries. Denial of the need to stock, stocking species that are of questionable value, etc. I find it hard to believe you wouldn't prefer more fish in more lakes. KS made that happen at a lot of fisheries, albeit mostly under 15,000 acres or so. Not just bass either.

I'm not a Kansan anyway. Just happen to live here. For now.

Well they should submit their research data and sampling findings to the MDC.

It's going to be tough to garner any support to that theory with all the fabulous trip reports posted.

[dtrs5kprs]

KS and MO working together? Man, that could be a long wait. Maybe the same day Mizzou makes it to a Final Four.

[Chief Grey Bear]

Chief...there are more than a few folks who think MO is a little backwards when it comes to the health of some of the major fisheries.

Well they should submit their research data and sampling findings to the MDC.

It's going to be tough to garner any support to that theory with all the fabulous trip reports posted.

KS and MO working together? Man, that could be a long wait. Maybe the same day Mizzou makes it to a Final Four.

I'm having trouble locating the link, like a link in a chain, not a clickable one to continue to another area of the internet, from your first quote, speaking about how the general public dismissed the MDC's studies, I presumed, then me, suggesting they submit their own data, to you suggesting that I said the two states should work together.