The Oregon Standoff

[SpoonDog]

43 minutes ago, Flysmallie said:

 

I think these threads are a bad way to judge a person. I totally cringe at some of the stuff Chief says. Wrench sets me off with some of his ramblings as well. But I have been fortunate enough to spend some time on the water hanging out with both of them and you just aren't going to find better guys. The crap that is spewed on forums is just that. Crap. 

Exactly.  I may not agree with everyone on the forum, I may think some of them are simply wrong, it isn't some personal indictment of their character.  If you can't stand spending time with someone because they don't share your same ideas or beliefs exactly...it says as much about you as it does about them.

[fishinwrench]

3 hours ago, Flysmallie said:

 

I think these threads are a bad way to judge a person. I totally cringe at some of the stuff Chief says. Wrench sets me off with some of his ramblings as well. But I have been fortunate enough to spend some time on the water hanging out with both of them and you just aren't going to find better guys. The crap that is spewed on forums is just that. Crap. 

I think y'all assume too much seriousness sometimes.  That's why you get butthurt so easily.    If I had to be bound and defined by everything I posted on here I'd delete my shortcut to this place immediately.    

I'm perfectly capable of being "proper and PC", but I don't choose to hang out in places where that type of behavior is mandatory.   That kinda crap is for Courtrooms and first dates, not tackle shops and fishing forums.

[Mitch f]

2 hours ago, fishinwrench said:

   That kinda crap is for Courtrooms and first dates

Unless you want to quickly get out of Jury Duty? 

[fishinwrench]

3 hours ago, Mitch f said:

Unless you want to quickly get out of Jury Duty? 

The objective is to get out of jury duty before ever entering the courtroom.    Just write "I am suffering from tourettes" on the summons and send it back.   

[Tim Smith]

On 1/22/2016 at 7:30 AM, fishinwrench said:

  Is this gal making any good points, or is she a crackpot ?   I can't tell.

 

This lady says you can't tell her the federal government can't own land.  And of course she's right, you can't tell her anything at all.

But the federal government does have the authority to own land and we're all better off because they do (discussed at length here).  

Still, you had better keep an eye on this issue because it's more than just a few crazies in Oregon and Nevada who are pushing this drek.  I have friends who do consulting on BLM land and more and more the people who lease it from the Feds are calling it "our land" and asserting property ownership rights such as access.  Smaller communities who want to grow their economies are becoming restless and if they have their way, they'll take that land and do with it as they please.  For them its a simple issue of personal financial gain and that motive pretty much undermines any form of logic or civic responsibility.

The west is a fantastic place to live, pretty much because of these public lands and the opportunities for quality of life they represent for the common man.  These people are committed to taking that away, and if the moneyed interests figure out a way to turn this in their favor they'll be on board in no time at all.

This is going to get worse before it gets better.