Wayne SW/MO

Great, I enjoyed it.

From someone else who was around a lot of home construction. I know they did and still do take stovepipe, electrical mast and plumbing vents through the roof, not to mention the ventilation turbines. these don't leak as a rule and in fact most last the life of a roof and a good roofer will replace all the seals when it's re-roofed.

Nick, when nymph fishing you can't rely on every cast be a successful drift without adjustment. Mend and fish what you can, then mend again. How much drift you get from each cast will vary according to the flow. Your goal should be to get as much length as you can in the drift free of drag from the line and leader. That's why I shy away from indicators, fly line and leaders cause drag enough buy them selves. I think the best advice concerning indicators is to start without them, the if it appears you can get a better drift with one you can always add something. I suspect they get their trout from the Neosho national hatchery. the water below Tenkiller would eligible because it should be a warm water fishery, but the dam has changed it and the trout are mitigation for that. I use to be a good friend of the son of the people who owned the first farm on the west side of the river below the dam. I haven't been there in 40 years, but at that time there were a string of cabins on the first private land, and then their farm ran from there and my neighbor owned one of the cabins. I hunted duck and deer and occasionally fished it for several years. Early on they didn't put many fish in the river and the fishing was mediocre.

Don't forget Chuck Tryon's book. Once in awhile there is a glitch in it, but nothing serious. It goes beyond the atlas when it comes to smallie water.

At one time there were some in the Niangua. I don't know about the lower Illinois.

I don't know what the savings would be with ones own solar system, but the savings on the electric bill would not only offset a lot, it would accumulate. The panels would also offer some shade to the roof which would help to some degree in the summer. Another thing is that there is very little going on at this time as far as installations, but necessity is the mother of invention and if there was a big demand i suspect that better mounting systems would appear. All that's needed is a need and a profit and they will happen.

For $3 you can fish Bennett Spring and get a lot for fishing in for the time you have allotted.

Orange spots Ness, orange spots.

I don't doubt what you say is true F&F, but any attempts to change the status qua has to pass a balance test. In my mind electric cars fail it because they aren't yet able to avoid polluting energy sources. Electricity in this country isn't clean overall. Your objections though don't seem to bring harm, but inconvenience. I know from my career that what you point out in use reductions are absolutely true, and I might add easy fixes, but think what both could bring? You also know that transmission of electricity causes substantial loss. I've seen a solar farm and it's another eye sore on the ground. Back to NG. Check out the Fossil Fuel Emissions chart. http://naturalgas.org/environment/naturalgas.asp Granted this is from the industry, but if we assume it is close, look at the difference, especially sulfur and mercury. The use of NG is old technology and shouldn't be all that expensive to convert vehicles, plus the cost difference should quickly pay for it. I would rather see us sink a quarter billion into rebuilding coal miners lives than some bankrupt corporation. NG is pretty much home grown and would at least lessen some of our influence on the unrest in the human population of the world.

I fail to see the difference from buying while traveling or from a website. They are all local somewhere and how you buy from their shop doesn't change that The thing about shopping on the net is the ability to compare prices. I don't buy the old bull about putting some poor soul out of business with cheaper prices. They all get the same deal, but some want to make a living with less effort.

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Fur, fish and game was another that I read. I agree they "Ain't what he used to be" and I don't read them anymore for the same reason. I still have a Lucas on Bass Fishing in paperback. He went into great detail about how even the smallest change in structure could hold bass.

Good for you, but I must warn you it can be very addictive. The spots are, as others pointed out, just part of the coloration of many smallies. The parasite don't seem to effect them. In fact many many decades ago I got chance to fish the Kennebec river in Maine and all the smallies were obviously infested with worms. The smallies grew big in there then because no one kept them.

Woodman i don't know of any that are in the city, unless you can make a friend on Lotawana. There are lots of them close though, check out the MDC Atlas.

To clean them the people I knew who did used metal shears to cut the length of the belly and then they skinned them. We use to catch them of bait casters or spinning rods with white poly rope combed out and a piece of red yarn tied to the front. We melted the end of the rope and then flattened it, punched a hole through it and hooked a snap to it. The hardest part of using one of these it to avoid setting the hook that isn't there and tearing it out of their mouth. You just hesitate a few seconds to let them get it tangled in their teeth and then start reeling. Grand Lake used to be a great spot in the heat of the summer for catching them.

The only thing I know about selective harvest was what I learned in the 90's. At that time the added expense of harvesting timber in that manner drove the bids down. The mills couldn't afford to take the hit because not all the competition was cutting FS timber. The mill I worked at had built what it called a small log mill, heavily computerized, to process logs that the FS was going to make available from thinning. But it didn't take 10 years until they changed course and all but stopped all cutting. Sadly in order to keep working the company cut their own holdings of old growth before they closed. I saw at least one Pondorosa log that had to have 8 or 10" shaved off the side by hand to get it through the head rig, the head rig could take a 36" log.

Obviously every installation will stand on its own, but we are talking about thousands of dollars a year for an all electric house. Missouri is said to have a buy back, it has limitations and is a deduction, not a pay out. If you think this is a bad idea then you, meaning all who read this, should consider who would be against it? The oil companies, the coal companies, the power companies and all the legislators they contribute to would lose big time if consumer owned solar panels were common. If a move would start to install panels wholesale it couldn't lag, because the big companies who profit from energy production would back off production. The ideal situation would be for them to see a profit to be made in the changeover.

It's a brown. Nick if you're sticking them I doubt it is your technique, but possibly you are hesitating to confirm that it's a fish. You wouldn't be the first person to fish with either a dull hook to start with, or with one that has had the point turned by a rock. Pick up immediately when anything changes and then set if it appears to be a fish. Always sharpen your hook, especially if you're buying your flies.

Unfortunately I live in amongst some old oaks and a cedar that is about 50'. I can only hope that people use good sense, or maybe I should say better than in the past. Many years ago we cleared oak timber for a home site and when a green oak does catch fire it sounds and looks like a blowtorch,

I would say that's a good question Tim, but then I'm a skeptic when it comes to subsidies. I understand when they keep a necessary industry afloat, and can't argue against their beginning. AG subsidies are a good example. As far as salvaging CO's beetle kill, I might speculate there are no mills equipped to do it? Or maybe it's more of the government payoff that is so rampant, IMO, nowadays. You didn't answer the question of whether the CO fires could have been less destructive if planned thinning had taken place. I think you're right Al that the multiple use mandate is unrealistic as practiced. I've never been a supporter of wholesale logging or the Wilderness or none approach. I think some logging can be useful in second and third growth forest, if it benefits the forest overall. I think in some instances carefully planned access to large tracts that are designated in such a way that road and trails are carefully planned would be a plus and held for the purpose of . Most access into the western forest are via roads built by loggers. The biggest problem I've seen is still the Forest Services constant change in policy. They also were very top heavy when I was in a position to observe them. A good and almost comical example is when they had loggers remove the old dead trees that had fallen in streams as part of the contract, then found it was another mistake and had them putting logs back in the stream. They allowed cutting to close to streams for awhile and didn't leave enough riparian vegetation. They allowed clear cutting and then reversed. They have started forest fires when they doing controlled burns. Not a great record for an agency that is 136 years old. They may need to look for new wilderness areas because of all the fires. They are generally lost in a fire because they don't fight fires in them, with the exception of small ones the smoke jumpers can handle.

The Clackacrafts are popular. The one I had was well built and solid. To run shallow water sometimes found here I wouldn't want anything less than a 54" bottom. The Clacka Headhunter looks good to me. You really don't need a sharp or high stern here because you won't find large standing waves and the square stern gives you more room.

Anyone remember Jason Lucas? He was my bass fishing idol a long time ago.

Yeah we used to spend a lot of time on the East Grand, AKA the Thompson Fork and it wasn't unusual to have to back peddle in a hurry to get off a bars edge that was unstable. Can't say I ever remember one collapsing under us though. I don't think any river with a sand base is what it seems. We would set trotlines in shallow eddies one evening and come back the next morning to find them current and too deep to wade.

Wow, I haven't thought about him in a long time. He certainly made his mark on the sport of fishing.

Maybe what some are missing is that after many decades of these rodeos you learn that not all bulls buck the same, even though they are suppose to. Much of my interest in the debate is that after all the money and hype and people becoming richer, little progress has been made. What ever amount man has contributed to global warming the fact is the earths weather is never static. We aren't that far away from an ice age that touched this continent so it stands to reason the earth would get warmer, it always has. It's past time for more than pouring money down rat holes. OUR MONEY has not been spent wisely and as long as people are told we're in big trouble unless we will see the trend continue. I want to see real results and broader approach to the inevitable. We are going to see some big changes in the future and we had better address them. We don't need bigger producers of necessities, we need smaller more secure ones.