no you don't, both of these were caught on flies basically. I just thought it would be fun to try and catch one on a swimbait. I've gotten kind of hooked on them for big bass and I kind of consider a big brown that kind of a deal too. where do you guys think these fish spend most of their year? I'm guessing deep water below fall creek, probably from trout hollow down to the monkey island area. Maybe in the brushpiles/laydowns or even deeper? do we think there are big ones like this down below the landing? I know in fishing down well below the landing that there are a lot of smaller bait fish, bluegill, crappie, shad, small trout etc. I wonder if some of these giants are down that way with such an easy meal so readily available and deeper water? Kind of hope Phil chimes in.