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You guys still concerned about sugar in gas.... slashed tires? I assume you're talking about 10C bridge.
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If you're down from the landing it should be too bad off the dock I'd think. Shad - may be. Debris - not really.
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I thought they'd be shutting down the 2 gates this week but instead they turned off a generator and opened 3 more gates. Same flow - 15k cfs. Table Rock is almost down to 917 ft. I'm not complaining... I want them to drop the lake before April and May get here. Looks like they're running Bull Shoals too - may be someone finally got to the Corps and told them to quit flooding everyone. Yeah - I know there's more to it. No shad seen this am and the white bite was slow for me.
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Sorry to hear. Was looking forward to seeing my bass fishing friends.
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Probably colder - a little. Ours is 45 up here.
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But the scud bite should get better and better with heavy flow. It’s super good below Fall Creek.
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It will. I don’t think they’ll shut the gates off esp if we keep getting rain. Half inch last night. More tomorrow and Saturday. Crazy thing about these shad- you just never know if they will come through. But they are trickling over enough to keep the fish looking for them.
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Out of one rainbow. Caught below Fall creek
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I can verify that the threadfins and flowing... I saw dozens in the water below the dam this morning. It was reported to me last evening that one of our guides saw them yesterday late in the dam as far down as the narrows. I saw them down below Lookout. Caught a dozen rainbows in the 17-20 inch range - their bellies packed with shad this morning. The shad are crowding the south bank. Some have managed to get towards the middle but hit that south bank with white jigs. This is a 20-inch rainbow caught after One Cast.
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Lilley's Taneycomo Report - March 2
Phil Lilley replied to Phil Lilley's topic in Upper Lake Taneycomo
Blake's jerk bait report Dragging smaller 2 to 3 inch floating jerk baits on a drift rig can be an effective method to catching trout on Taneycomo. Not only can it produce numbers of fish it can often times lead to landing some of the larger trophy class trout that call our headwaters home. This method is most commonly effective in generation patterns at 2 units or more all the way through floodgate stage waters. Most of the time, the more generation the better. To set this method up you will need a size 12 snap swivel, size 12 barrel swivel, 4 to 6 pound monofilament or fluorocarbon line, an 8th ounce bell sinker (in most water 8th oz suffices, only at floodgate levels will I switch to 3/16.) and of course your small floating jerk bait. The jerk bait can be many different color patterns, try what you have. We have found that patterns imitating shad, minnows, sculpins or baby rainbows tend to work best but have had success on other wild color baits as well. Start by removing the belly hook from the jerk bait leaving only the tail hook. This will help reduce snagging on the bottom. Then take the line coming from the rod (line on your reel also 4 to 6 pound is the range your looking for) and slide the size 12 snap swivel onto the line, do not tie the snap swivel on leave it free sliding. Then at the end of your line tie on the size 12 barrel. Take an additional 2.5 feet or so of 4 to 6lb line as a leader and attach to the other side of your barrel swivel. At the end of your leader attach your small floating jerk bait with belly hook removed. This completes your jerk bait rig. We have a wide selection of these types of jerk baits available in the fly shop and online store, ranging from the custom painted signature series(little higher priced) down to a wide selection for only 5 dollars per lure. We have tested them all and they all produce. Note that just like any other method there are days where it is more effective and days where it is less but nevertheless a method worth giving a try on any day the water flow is right for it. Application is simple let your bait drift with the current, cast the rig upstream and drag along the bottom just as you would any other drift style rig on the lake always making sure you are keeping your drift consistent with the current and lines straight upstream. We have tested this, given strong enough flows 3 or more units from Table Rock Dam all the way to monkey island and have caught fish all along the way, so this method leaves good room for long drifts. -
Shiner or big fathead Minnow question?
Phil Lilley replied to watermen2's topic in General Angling Discussion
We get minnows from Oklahoma. I'll check -
Lilley's Taneycomo Report - March 2
Phil Lilley replied to Phil Lilley's topic in Upper Lake Taneycomo
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Then we'll see flood gates for sure.
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One of my goals this spring is to hire you to take me and my grandsons fishing. They live in Lowell.
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We found some whites and one hybrid last week above twin bridges where the docks are. I don't know the names of the places. They were moving around pretty good so we didn't stay on them very good. Caught some nice 2 pounders. The hybrid was about 3 pounds. We were really looking for crappie... and a few of them too.
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Table Rock usually rises 1 foot per 1 inch of rain fallen. Looks like it's going to rise about 3 feet - about right. Not enough for flood gates on Taney - yet.
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Overall conditions on Lake Taneycomo couldn't get any more stable than we've experienced the last couple of weeks. Two units have generated flow nonstop, day and night. A little variation in the flow but not much. Lakes above and below us are all within six inches of their seasonal power pool, but there is one glaring thing -- we have rain in the forecast. Rain was forecast to start Thursday and continue for about 20 hours. We're looking at two to three inches total and probably about a two- to three-foot of rise in the lakes. I think that means we'll see four full units of generation soon afterwards. This is not unusual for this time of year. Spring rains bring heavy flows from Table Rock Dam. I've seen "flood warnings" pop up on my phone. Honestly, I ignore them because what formerly was designated a "watch" is now a "warning" in the weatherman world. Two or three inches of rain over a 18 hour period will not cause flooding. A hard, fast rain might cause a flash flood, but that's not what they're referring to. A couple of weeks ago, a friend sent a picture of two thread fin shad in his hand that he had found along the bank below the dam. This was evidence that shad had come through Table Rock Dam from Table Rock Lake, which isn't unusual for this time of year. But whatever came through was short lived. And we didn't see much of a "white bite." That doesn't mean we might see more shad come through. They're pouring through the dam at Bull Shoals, but that lake tends to see a lot more shad than we do. Our lake water temperature is about 44 degrees. I've seen reports of Table Rock's temperature as low as 41. Trout don't necessarily like water that cold, but it doesn't seem to slow them down much. What we do see a lot of times is fish move up into the feeder creeks, especially after a rain, seeking warmer water. I have checked this week and found there are a few trout in Turkey and Roark creeks but not many. That will change after this rain. With the influx of warm rain water in the creeks and the critters that wash into our lake, night crawlers are going to be the go-to bait in and below these creeks. As the creeks clear up after a rain, spoons and spinners work great as well as jigs under a float. And don't forget about the pink worm under a float. You might even see some white bass running in and out of Roark Creek. As the flow ramps up, dragging stick baits on the bottom should do pretty well, especially on trophy trout. Our dock manager Blake Wilson reports: Dragging smaller two- to three-inch floating jerk baits on a drift rig can be an effective method to catching trout on Taneycomo. Not only can it produce numbers of fish, it can often lead to landing some of the larger trophy class trout that call our headwaters home. This method is most commonly effective in generation patterns from two units or more all the way through floodgate stage waters. Most of the time, the more generation the better. To set this method up you will need a size 12 snap swivel, size 12 barrel swivel, four- to six-pound monofilament or fluorocarbon line, an 8th ounce bell sinker (in most water 8-ounce suffices; only at floodgate levels will I switch to 3/16) and of course your small floating jerk bait. The jerk bait can be many different color patterns, so try what you have. We have found that patterns imitating shad, minnows, sculpins or baby rainbows tend to work best, but we have had success on other wild color baits as well. Start by removing the belly hook from the jerk bait, leaving only the tail hook. This will help reduce snagging on the bottom. Then take the line coming from the rod (line on your reel should also be four- to six-pound,) and slide the size 12 snap swivel onto the line. Do not tie the snap swivel on but leave it free sliding. Then at the end of your line tie on the size 12 barrel. Take an additional 2.5 feet or so of four- to six-pound line as a leader and attach to the other side of your barrel swivel. At the end of your leader attach your small floating jerk bait with belly hook removed. This completes your jerk bait rig. We have a wide selection of these types of jerk baits available in the fly shop and online store, ranging from the custom-painted signature series(little higher priced) down to a wide selection for only $5 per lure. We have tested them all, and they all produce. Note that just like any other method, there are days where it is more effective and days where it is less. Nevertheless, it is a method worth trying on any day when the water flow is right. Application is simple. Let your bait drift with the current, cast the rig upstream and drag along the bottom just as you would any other drift style rig on the lake. Always make sure you are keeping your drift consistent with the current and your lines straight upstream. We have tested this during strong enough flows of three or more units -- from Table Rock Dam all the way to Monkey Island -- and have caught fish all along the way, so this method leaves good room for long drifts." Drifting scuds on the bottom is and will be for a while the best way to catch trout, big ones and small ones. Our trout's main diet is scuds, freshwater shrimp that live in the gravel on the bottom of the lake. They eat other bugs too--sow bugs which look like scuds (or the other way around,) and aquatic worms that also live in the same rocks. So using a fly that looks like a scud and sow bug is logically a good way to catch our trout. Presentation is important. We've found that a drop shot rig is one of the best ways to keep the fly off the bottom and from accumulating algae. A little bit of algae on the fly will kill the bite. Steve Dickey, one of our fishing guides, told me the other day he used a #12 scuds early in the day when the light was still low and did well, but had to go to a smaller fly as it got lighter outside. He eventually used a small #16 scud when it got really bright outside. He didn't say it, but I would think you'd have to go to small line like 6x tippet or two-pound if you're going to use a #16 fly. You can drift these bugs anywhere from the cable at the dam down past Trout Hollow Resort and catch trout. If you're fishing other flies, or even bait like worms, Powerbait or minnows, I would consider using this drop shot rig.
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Overall conditions on Lake Taneycomo couldn't get any more stable than we've had the last couple of weeks. They've been running 2 units nonstop, day and night. A little variation in the flow but not much. Lakes above and below us are all within 6 inches of their seasonal power pool, but there is one glaring thing -- we have rain in the forecast. Today it's supposed to start raining and continue for about 20 hours. We're looking at 2-3 inches total and probably about 2-3 foot of rise in the lakes. I think that means we'll see 4 full units of generation soon afterwards. This is not unusual for this time of year. Spring rains bring heavy flows from Table Rock Dam. I've seen "flood warnings" pop up on my phone. Honestly, I ignore them because what used to be a "watch" is now a "warning" in the weatherman world. Two or 3 inches of rain will not cause flooding. A hard, fast rain may cause a flash flood but that's not what they're referring to. A couple of weeks ago, a friend sent a picture of 2 thread fin shad in his hand that he found along the bank below the dam. This was evidence that shad had come through Table Rock Dam from Table Rock Lake which isn't unusual for this time of year. But whatever came through it was short lived. And we didn't see much of a "white bite". That doesn't mean we may see more shad come through. They're pouring through the dam at Bull Shoals but they tend to see a lot more shad than we do. Our lake water temperature is about 44 degrees. I've seen reports of Table Rock's temperature as low as 41. Trout don't necessarily like water that cold but it doesn't seem to slow them down much. What we do see a lot of times is fish move up into the feeder creeks, especially after a rain, seeking warmer water. I have checked this week and found there's a few trout in Turkey and Roark Creeks but not many. That will change after this rain. With the influx of warm rain water in the creeks and the critters it washes into our lake, night crawlers are going to be the go-to bait in and below these creeks. As the creeks clear up after a rain, spoons and spinners work great as well as jigs under a float. And don't forget about the pink worm under a float also. You might even see some white bass running in and out of Roark Creek. As the flow ramps up, dragging stick baits on the bottom should do pretty good, especially on trophy trout. Blake reports: Drifting scuds on the bottom is and will be for a while the best way to catch trout, big ones and small ones. Our trout's main diet is scuds, freshwater shrimp that live in the gravel on the bottom of the lake. They eat other bugs too--sow bugs which look like scuds (or the other way around), and aquatic worms that also live in the same rocks. So using a fly that looks like scuds and sow bugs is logically a good way to catch our trout. Presentation is important. We've found that a drop shot rig is one of the best ways to keep the fly off the bottom and from accumulating algae. A little bit of algae on the fly will kill the bite. This is how we rig it: Steve Dickey, one of our fishing guides, told me the other day we used a #12 scuds early in the day when the light was still low and did well, but had to go to a smaller fly as it got lighter outside. He eventually used a small #16 scud when it got real bright outside. He didn't say it but I would think you'd have to go to small line like 6x tippet or 2-pound if you're going to use a #16 fly. You can drift these bugs anywhere from the cable at the dam down past Trout Hollow Resort and catch trout. If you're fishing other flies, or even bait like worms, Powerbait or minnows, I would consider using this drop shot rig.
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Probably sunning themselves up close to the surface.
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I only know about the James at Bridgeport. They're scattered and on the bottom in 17-21 foot of water on the flats. Catch them with a minnow on a jig hook.