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If it's important to DNR it will go to higher courts, thing is courts are limited to the laws they can't make decisions based on emotions or public sentiment. If the law was misinterpreted at this court it will be fixed at the next level, if this Judge was right, then DNR was/is wrong. If the vast majority of the people of MO. disagreed with the legislature, those guys wouldn't be there so that argument is bunk. As I read the article the judgement only pertains to the 600+A, that still leaves a bunch of land for DNR to so what they want with. If they do like they did here, that means they will stop you from accessing the creek through it and make a few thousand acres into a 30 minute hiking trail, so yeah it might not ever be developed.

About how big do y'all make these jigs? a zonker tail and bucktail wing sound like bass bait to me, but I've never tied a trout jig.

Every body that I saw keeping fish had a limit yesterday. Wife said that about the yellow fish last week. I would think the Neosho hatchery could provide fish if needed, they seem to never operate at full capacity.

I would think this is assurance that the DNR won't screw that up by making it open to public use. Most parks modify the natural state of a place to make lawns and parking or camping/picnic sites. Park invites overuse of an area and of course that means trashing it. I think you should be happy with this ruling, but only time will tell.

I only got over there about 50 times last year mostly around mid day and sometimes mid afternoon, and I never saw the river when it wasn't full of trout. Three days I didn't catch any wasn't because they weren't there, some days I just get it all wrong. Had reasonable numbers all through the winter as well, on the days I was there. Lots of poaching going on though, them fillets in the cooler don't keep folks from going back out. Cleaning in the creek or on the tailgate seems to make that more acceptable. I've fished it less this year, maybe 20 times and have been amazed at the people that wade right in front of the "No Wading" signs and put chairs out in the water in the middle of Zone 2 no wade area, yesterday was a good day for dough balls in Z2, guy sat there in his lawn chair for at least two hours with two spinning rods and some kind of dough balls. Think I've seen the Ranger twice in two years and it's been many years since I saw a CO there. But still tons of fish, I turned 8 loose in about 3 hours mid after noon, and spent more time talking than fishing. They are in there. The construction encountered an unusual number of rain days and high water, so I'd guess they are well behind any foreseen time table. I've not been up past the old lodge in a quite a while.

Nothing wrong with writing better posts, I often can't like some of the posts I see.

A swimmer or a kayak can be anywhere, people swim across the English Channel, 20+ miles, and I've seen a kayak ~15 miles off shore in the Atlantic. If you operate a boat or a truck at speeds faster than you can stop from safely, the results are not an accident.

Try Peterman Fur & Trapping Supplies - Weaubleau, MO -he's on Facebook or- https://www.gfwco.com/ You may not know NAFA (the big Canadian fur auction) bankrupted last year after mailing out $millions in bad checks to trappers. And of course this Covid stuff has hurt foreign buyers traveling. Stick with coyotes, no market at all for coons, very little for cats. Our coyotes aren't what the market wants but they might sell, other stuff not likely. To make trapping worth the gasoline you need to do livestock protection or nuisance work.

When I was growing up there weren't any and now there are, I don't think MDC bought them back like they did the cougars and rattlers though. It was likely the stocking of turkeys that attracted the coyotes from OK & KS. And all the land clearing done in the "70s. The raptors though were nurtured by the poultry farmers disposing of dead chicks back when it wasn't all corporate farms. Cold rains at hatching time caused the loss of turkeys here three or four years running, I used to have about 25 on the farm part time and I haven't seen one in ~15 years now. But opossums and other egg eaters do hurt all ground nesters.

The reintroduction of coyotes took care of about half the turkeys and the eagles got to eat same as worms.

Ever hunt around Marionville? I'd like one of those all white rats for fly tying.

When I was a kid we had both melanistic fox and greys in McDonald county, in the last 30-40 years I've only seen the black in the greys, and we don't have as many fox squirrels as back in the 50s&60s, I only ever hunted them with .22.

Chameleon? Amnesia? I used to think Stren was pretty hard til i started fly fishing and the books all said to use Mason, a truly stiff nylon. Eventually I ran out of Mason and the local didn't have any, so I started using Maxima and just stayed with it. When they came out with the extruded leaders I think I tried them all and never found one that could be used off the shelf, yet other folks love them. The only one that was fairly good had Whitlock's name on it and then whoever made that one quit Whitlock or vice versa and the leaders became unavailable, on those you just had to cut the butt down to the .020" point and the rest would work. Only knot I use for fishing is the double overhand knot in some form, and I'm the guy that knew every knot in the Scout's book when I was 10. And every knot in the Blue Jackets Manual.

Machine tapered leaders do suck, but if you cut the over thick, too stiff butt off about 18'' then cut the over limp tippet end back a couple feet; the 4' piece left over makes a pretty good butt section. Of course I can build a leader with less effort. I don't have much need for 30# except as weed guard. I have made the twisted leader and didn't care for it, used braided butt and didn't care that. I haven't used furled leaders but when guys talk about them and brag about them them only lasting a month and then I look at the cost of one and I go right back to my knotted leaders. I can make them longer or shorter or adjust the stiffness while on the water and usually the butt section lasts me a couple seasons. My bass leaders are typically two pieces of mono, a butt and a tippet, and they get chopped up and rebuilt more often than the real tapered ones I use for trout. I haven't seen any hard mono in probably 25 years, I guess Mason still makes it because I still see references to it.

We can make anything as complicated as we want, I reckon. Surely the bass won't care.

Stren or Trilene will work just fine, bass leaders just need to be about 6-7' and stiff enough to turn the fly over. I use Chameleon for all my leaders just because I like to use the same material for all leaders and some brands only make tippet material while others only make 6#+ mono. I tie about 3' of 20-25# to the fly line and quickly reduce that to 6-8#, but you can just run level leader in what ever weight you think appropriate. I like the 6-8# because I fish close to the wood and that is relatively easy to break off. Fishing for LMB in a pond I might just run a straight piece of 20#, that would work for big top water stuff and I could pull the weeds up, if tangled.

I'll just stick with the stupid fish, I once tied 3 1/2 dozen of the same #18s and swore I'd never do that again. Those flies you throw away would work just fine for the fish that didn't read the books.

I don't get to fish those streams, but I think Al is right in his assessment, crappie come up the Elk River tributaries in spring for a while and some will be in the creeks year round, but not in the same water that I target bass in. The crappie I've taken at this season have been in quieter stretches and under downed trees. Once in a cut off slough the son and I caught 15-20 crappie in less than 15 minutes on flies.

I don't have the patience to tie two in a row the same and so rarely actually tie any that are "Patterns" and some how I catch the odd fish now and again. I only target the fish with IQs lower than mine though, I reckon that them smart fish know when the pattern ain't quite right or the color is a bit off. I'm real lucky that there are always a few fish that cut class and didn't learn all that stuff.

It's the doubler, a keg between the pot and the condenser that provides a second distillation on a single run, in effect it doubles the percentage of alcohol from ~40% to ~90%, perhaps more than doubles, and it is supposed to trap some of the toxic stuff that makes your customers go blind or die off too soon.

so, it wasn't just me.

Is there a law that people can only swim from designated beaches? I ask because I once saw a speeding boat run right across a pair of swimmers, the swimmers had the presence to dive and stay down as long as they could but I don't think the boater was even aware of them. I was taking lunch on a bluff over looking the lake. and it happened right below me, thought for sure the boat slipped one swimmer but both surfaces and swam to the opposite shore apparently alright. Kinda a blind curve there too. Are sailboats or rowboats allowed on that lake?

Have to have a license to do stupid stuff in cars and cars have brakes, two pretty major differences. A third major difference is everywhere we drive cars there is a speed limit. Bill, your common sense that that when going around a blind curve speed doesn't matter is faulty regardless of which side of the lake you are on; if you can't see around the corner there may be a stalled boat or a previous wreck there and any speed that doesn't allow you to stop in the distance that you can see is excessive regardless what you drive boat car train and it doesn't matter if the reason you can't see is blind curve, fog, rain or you are blind, if you can't stop in the distance you can clearly see, you are driving recklessly. I guess that when enough boaters get killed that licenses will be required and speed limits or hp limits will be established, until then we can always blame it on the dead guy turning left. It is tragic for the family of the victims but let us not impose any restrictions on the survivors that might affect the commercial use of the lakes.

oh, utube, I had only seen Dalhberg's stuff in glossy magazines, must be 30 years ago. As I recall he featured long hackle tails/legs, so the foam and craft hair thing didn't even stir that memory. It's kinda counter-intuitive to make foam dive isn't it? Your flies looked pretty nice but also looked pretty complicated to build, way beyond my patience level. Like fishingwrench I thought they a sort of popper. I tied a few of Larry's deer hair style back then and they took me quite a while, and mine didn't dive very well; so I turned to Gurglers as my top water go to.

I thought Dahlberg used deer hair?