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so not a fan of Kelly's flies? I typically use 3366 hooks on my streamers (why I have all those bucktail hooks laying around) but this fly isn't adaptable to a head only hook. To be true to the pattern, it'd have to use two hooks and be articulated, possibly a shank with the short hook. I don't think that only head hooked streamers are effective though or there would be no tube flies.

I'm sure it does, just my imagination isn't giving me a clear picture and all the tying stuff is packed up right now. No big deal if you don't have pics wrench, don't worry about it. If I even remember this when I'm tying again, I'll try it myself. So, I'm too simple to appreciate articulated flies, do these work as well if tied on a single streamer hook? I have a bunch of 6XL that I haven't used in years and I can imagine tying the marabou in in clumps rather than leaving the stem in. Not sure it'd be worth the effort over a regular marabou leech.

Those feathers are not wrapped. Nor stacked. So, what is the similarity? color me confused

yeah, no, well?, that Galloup guy ties his fly with one, two or three whole feathers in each clump and in my imagination if those were wrapped onto the shank, they would pretty much obscure all that Cactus and perhaps make it hard to get the back plumes to match with the belly plumes. But, this is a fly that I've never tied, as is your shad, so I'm only trying to visualize your technique as compared to Galloup's videos.

@fishinwrench I'm not visualizing how the core would show through if the marabou feather is wrapped; got a picture?

Brother said owl was tough and stringy, guess they didn't cook it right. We sure have many more barred owls than we used to have here. I'd speculate 2-3 times as many calling. And if they are expanding into the other owls territory I have no doubt that they need managing. Far as I'm concerned all the raptors need some culling.

Yes Wrench, I agree with you in as far as the ethanol gas is concerned, and I think the summer blend may actually store better than the winter blend. And that is likely the biggest problem with using ethanol in machines that may set for weeks between uses, like motorcycles or boats over winter. Ethanol collects water from the air and ethanol tends to evaporate off more than other octane boosters, meaning that non-ethanol gasoline should store for longer times. “The most commonly used octane enhancer is ethanol, ... Ethanol was recognized in the 1920s as an effective octane enhancer, it just requires a lot — over 10% in gasoline. " It's also notable that today's engines are all designed around ethanol as an octane booster and that they don't need high octane nor lead. The days of soft valve seats is long past and the "rubber" parts are now designed to be comparable with ethanol. But the "instead of ethanol" in the "unleaded" "non-ethanol" fuel is most likely a compound containing one or more benzene rings, lower energy fuels like ethanol that help reduce detonation and dieseling. What some of the people that I know don't understand is that "higher octane" means "slower burning/lower energy" as compared to natural drip gas. “The strange thing about octane additives is that they are generally aren’t as good a fuel as the starting gasoline,” Tetraethyl lead is still available for those antique aircraft which are really the only engines that probably benefit from leaded and super high octane fuel, or perhaps race cars. Certainly not any consumer use engines made in the past 35 years. My original question of "what do they use instead of ethanol?" was posed because other than lead, many of the octane boosters are more harmful than ethanol. Various metals (like a manganese compound that was developed to replace lead and is now banned in some places) or iron mixtures and aromatic compounds that may and often do mess up sensors and catalytic converters. Looking at aftermarket "octane boosters" many are mostly kerosene, which although harder to ignite than gas actually has lower octane. 20-30 years ago I did have some two cycle engines fail due to early E10 breaking down the mix oil or causing fuel/oil separation, and I'm talking in fresh mixed fuel, but I'm told that current mix oils have been modified to alleviate that problem and that the only concern now is storage. Likely true, and i do use E10 in the weed-wackers and sometimes in the chainsaws, but keeping track of the age of the gas mix with only occasional use of those tools makes me buy E-0 gas on occasion just to save on storage concerns. If using the fuel up regularly is not a problem, (and I sometimes pour the older two stroke mix into the four stroke machines to get rid of it) my opinion is E10 is as good as we can get at the pump these days.

So the premium gas must have more alcohol than the E10?

White gas means different things in different places and in different times, basically gasoline without any additives. Also called naphtha sometimes, which is another vague word. Coleman fuel (octane rating of 50 to 55 ) is considered "white gas", it was originally drip gas, I believe but is now petroleum distillate (naphtha) . In this definition of "white", "white" means "clear" as in "white shellac" or "white whiskey". There was also "drip gas" (natural gas condensate with an octane of 30-50) that was sometimes called 'white gas' and white gas that was sometimes called "drip gas". Mom did all her own "dry cleaning" with white gas, we often had it around in the '50s; but by the early 1960s it was getting very scarce at least in Idaho, usually only found in barrels rather than at the pump. My uncle and others used it in their camp stoves and lanterns as long as it was available at gas stations. Dad only used oil lanterns and we cooked on wood when we camped. However, white gas would not burn well in modern high compression engines, and the higher octane 'premium' 'ethanol free' fuel is not white gas. Of course all gasoline starts out as 'white gas' in that as refined it has no additives. There is a possibility that fuel could be ethanol free and still contain rubbing alcohol, or isopropyl alcohol, but the octane rating would probably be lower, and the water test would show it; but methanol is highly corrosive and caries risk of engine damage, so is unlikely. Like Quillback, I have tested "non-ethanol" gas from several local sources and have never found them to contain any alcohol. At least none that mix with water.

Desire. If the locals just want to blame the catfish for all fisheries declines, they have nothing to gain by killing them or by processing what someone else kills; simpler just say "we can't".

I wonder what is in it instead? some of the ethanol free stuff doesn't even look like gasoline.

I get a smile out of the "unleaded" part. The ethanol mix is also "unleaded" as is the E80.

25 places in Springfield are listed, 5 in Branson, 3 in Branson West; I didn't think it was that hard to find anymore, lot's of places in this area sell the "premium" gas, no ethanol but more $$

No local caught fish are processed/sold locally, or just no catfish?

pick a state and pick a town

Didn't that also coincide with an influx of very cheap plastic kayaks? I don't recall seeing those hundreds of molded "boats" stacked up at Walmart and Academy and the tractor stores in prior years. <$200 some of them <$100 and it seems to me they were first available around that time, so I'm not sure if the biggest incentive was free time or cheap watercraft.

They did not. Probably never saw more than parts of a half dozen episodes of that, but I think based on those that one could trace the origins of our current political state to voters educated by it.

I can't really answer your question; I rarely use an indicator but if I do it might be - or Dorsey system Maybe give you more options.

I can read for hours, video about a minute and a half is my limit, it helps sometimes to play them on X2 but even then it's hard to stay focused on it. I'm not sure that I've actually learned anything at all from video. But, if those guys sat in boat for almost an hour just talking about it, any subject actually, I don't see how anyone could endure watching it. It'd be like 47 minutes of Rodney Dangerfield.

Really?? 47 minutes of video and no fishing? my goodness I'm glad I skipped that one.

On this page, pick a county and you will find contact numbers for all the MDC people responsible for that county. MDC Contacts As an example Taney County Chris Boyd Responsibility: Conservation Agent 417-546-0833 Southwest Regional Office 2630 N Mayfair Springfield, MO 65803 United States and Quenten Fronterhouse Responsibility: Conservation Agent 417-294-5543 Southwest Regional Office 2630 N Mayfair Springfield, MO 65803 United States Counties Assigned To: Taney

If I take it off, I stick them into the real sheep wool patch that's pinned to my vest and occasionally one will fall off, perhaps one in fifty. I've also hooked them into the loop side of Velcro. The key word in 'hooked', not just point stuck, but turned into the bend. An alternative would be to drop them into an Altoids tin half full of silica gel until you get home and sort things out. But then, I will agree somewhat in that any fly you take off while fishing may as well be thrown away, because it obviously doesn't work for what ever reason. And truth is that when I take those dried out flies off that sheep wool, 2/3 of them go in the recycle cup for hook salvage in the future. Most of my dry flies only need a squeeze with the chamois leather to float again, if they are still usable and if they worked in the first place. But, on the other hand, they do catch fish when sunk too.

The thread does not say barbless above fall creek and it does not say " single point" the thread starter said "single hook only". Under that heading all the hooks could be fully barbed trebles as long as only one hook is used. He isn't presenting any evidence that using a single hook would have any benefit over using three hooks as pole line fishing allows state wide. Kinda an emotional appeal thing to ban fishing there. And we know that they are not enforcing current regulations so any added regulations would just amount to a BS line on a sign that no one reads. Studies have shown that in controlled tests neither barbs nor trebles add significantly to the overall mortality rate. We should not make regulations based on emotions, nor on anecdotal evidence found in bull chip fish stories. If you want to say trebles hurt the fish, then you must also admit that any hook hurts the fish and we should regulate for no hooks to be used. Maybe someone will write a petition for all lures used above Fall Creek to be hookless? They could quote the studies showing that barbless hooks have essentially the same mortality that barbed hooks do and then quote all the anti barb anglers to show that even anglers think hooks should be banned. same thing with single-point hooks and multi-point hooks, if you oppose one; by inference you are opposing the other, based on the science. My argument is that none of the hooks causes significant harm to any of the fish. You can claim that trebles hurt anglers or that barbed hooks are harder to remove from children and I'll agree, but I won't agree that we need to ban hooks.

Yes I can often release trout by simply slacking the line as they get into shallow water and renew the fight. And when they don't self release a slight push with the release tool does the trick. I rarely carry a net, unless I'm keeping fish. However that still is not science to support a barbless regulation.

Doesn't matter what the regs are, you can't be serious about enforcing them? It's an honor system, always has been. Total enforcement would probably require equal numbers of anglers and officers; think of the cost. Be good for the economy though, to employ that many new Agents.