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Cutting 10' off most DT lines would have you in the level line portion, and any errors caused by taper would be gone, I'd just buy a level line to start with and save enough to buy a second level line. I use a level line a lot because it puts more mass right at the leader, good for short casts and for heavy stuff. However no amount of line tinkering will cause the rod tip to travel straight and only a dip in the rod tip path can cause a tail. I think many people confuse trailing loop with tailing loop, and the cause as well as the fix are different. Trailing loop is when the fly leg crosses the rod leg once and the fly leg remains straight. just trailing below an ideal level. The cause is most likely low line speed and gravity. Tailing loop is when the fly leg crosses the rod leg twice with a dip and curl like a pig's tail and the cause is always a dip in the tip travel path. As you mentioned previously the line always follows the rod tip. Charley Reading has a simple fix for the tail - Reading I think Joan Wulff sells a wrist splint to teach that. And this guy talks about what is not a tail- What A Tailing Loop Is Not Now I won't argue that we can't learn to cast adequately by ourselves, too many millions of fly anglers have in the past 150 years alone. I won't even argue that we need to cast farther than 30' to catch a fish, lots of people stand where they should be fishing. I often say that fly casting is over rated, because it is. I took Joe Brooks' book to the church yard and taught myself the basics and the curve left, curve right, steeple cast ect. in about 3 hours. then I went fishing. However, I've read enough stories of how instruction has shortened the learning curve for others that I wouldn't discount it's value. I've even read where guys that had flyfished for decades got a lesson and was so happy with the improvement that all they can say afterwards is "get a lesson from a certified instructor". And on the learning curve I was back in that church yard a few times a week for months just practicing that curve left until the fly landed behind the statue from me. Wore the plastic off a n SA DT in less than three months and here I am 50 years later a mediocre caster. But I did catch a few fish along the way. Although we don't need to cast farther than we can spit most of the time, it may be handy that one time. And although our casts don't have to be perfect for us to catch a fish, having a good cast can make things more pleasant. Believe it or not I've talked to people that liked casting better than fishing?

Absolutely, but, the thread title doesn't mention fishing. It says "fly-casting" so only the casting components of the contest will be relevant. Distance and accuracy? or accuracy at distance? How much line can be carried as well as how much line can be shot ect. ? I've never seen a casting duel before, so I don't know. " just a circus routine. " well sure, that is why I want to watch. it's why the viewers will watch the video over and over, yes? the speedos might be a good idea after all... Will there be a rematch after they share the jug? or jugs? I noticed that Gavin suggested they use wrench's rod but he did say he'd use the line supplied by wrench. I've always thought the line was as important as the rod, maybe more..

I don't think I want to see them in Speedos (I googled it) but if you think the video would sell better and help pay for the event ....

I want to fish under every bridge that I pass over and I'd like to fish that piece of water that you want to leave. But, I'm perfectly happy to fish wherever I can and whenever I can, I put the fly rod and tackle in the trunk when we go to the doctor or a wedding or wherever, just so I can take any opportunity. But on the other hand I'd rarely drive more than a couple of hours just to fish. Set goals and keep a list of destinations? No, for me that would make it too much like a job.

No, I said "you two" not "you tube" . Maybe @fshndougcan video the match and post it here. But, I think it be better to see live.

I think it pretty funny that the green people wear plastic clothes and drive electric cars both of which have gigantic foot prints, but that's getting into politics. I also laugh every time I see a trapper wearing ball caps or billboard caps made of plastic and complaining about people not wearing fur. A felt hat isn't a big impact on the fur market because a single hat doesn't take much fur, but it does have a small effect. It's like a cotton farmer wearing polyester clothing. It wasn't PETA it was us that chose to abandon natural fabrics.

Of course it was . you had to looking there on purpose. My little brother is 70 years old and I've never seen his behind, if he even has one. If we wanted hurt one another it was with sticks or rocks. Don't believe that cane he carries is just a walking stick either. I'd sure like to watch you two casting in a contest; bet I'd pick up a pointer or two.

I think what you wanted was not a Tenkara rod but a Tanago rod, the guy on Tenkara Bum wrote an article on the confusioon of names and how he contributed to it when he imported some other kind of rods. I believe he stocks the Tanago style rods now. But you will have more fun with that just knowing that you made it.

Not everyone had brothers and some that did weren't fascinated by their behinds.

You either haven't been to RR or you weren't watching the same people I saw, those rods did the metronome perfectly; from fly in the grass to splash on the water over and over just like the windshield wiper on a fixed pivot. I imagine that 80% of the Park fly casters could benefit with 1/2 hour of your instruction and some others would need a week.

And how does the windshield wiper or metronome action come into play? I see these people year after year doing the metronome as instructed in "The Movie". Being a dedicated rollcaster for fortyodd years I can't say I know much about actual casting.

No but they are that much work. The southern coyotes that I'd get aren't very good fur at the best. If I was buying them it'd at some place close to 'possum prices. They are worth a lot more to the running pens than they are skint. if there are any pens left? I haven't trapped since '18-'19 season because of no market. A lot of people will tell you the ranch mink farmers is what killed the wild fur market, and they may be right , there was lot of over production just before the prices fell.

Well, I've seen some people at RRSP that sure looked like they would benefit from a few lessons, I can't say for sure though because I've never actually seen a fly casting instructor that I know of and that may be the very kind of folks that I was watching.

I don't think there is even a fur buyer within driving distance to me. I'd set traps if I thought I could get $5 a pelt, not doing much else with my time. . Not coyotes though, them stinkin things is worth $100 to skin and board.

What are those basics? and would an instructor help with getting them down?

Finn Raccoon isn't anything but a marketing term, the animal is the Asian raccoon dog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_raccoon_dog Neither a raccoon nor a dog, but a fox like wild animal that like mink is farmed in Finland. Some years ago the stuff was being sold under the name "Temple Dog" or something like that, there was a deal of bad press about China killing dogs for fur and some more about them marketing the raccoon dog fur as "faux fur". The fur industry changed the fur name then from raccoon dog to finn raccoon. Raccoon can be substituted for about any other fur or craft fur or used as dubbing, the guard hair could be used in a dubbing loop as a collar/hackle. You might find the yellowish 'coon more useful than the gray blue pelts. But the flip side of that is that those other things are more readily available in ready to use form, already tanned, dyed, cut in strips or what ever. A few patterns by Jack Gartside using the tail for inspiration- Coondog - Coony Jack - Coony Cockroach On a fly tying forum that I used to visit regularly one tyer from Fl. used raccoon almost exclusively tying bass and panfish flies.

Did that too, but rags were cheaper and reusable, .22 was mostly reserved for mammals

6-7"? or bigger?

I don't know about 40 years ago but there are no where near as many as there were 60 years ago, it was pretty easy to find frogs in the 1960's but I had already noticed a decline by the 1980s and I haven't killed a frog since the mid '80s because of that. I rarely ever see their tadpoles either in places where when I was a kid they were easy and numerous.

That's probably what got me started fly fishing, red cloth, white cloth, piece of string off a gunny sack, any long stiff pole, #6 grab hook; swing the "fly" just so far away and the frogs leap to catch it. I had to be quiet when I snuck up to the pond though or all the big frogs would hide.

You can count to a thousand on one hand if you can keep track of how many times you go back and forth. Four fingers and a thumb twenty times is a hundred.

When the eggs don't hatch, then what? I've kept chickens and hatched eggs for decades, but if I was buying the eggs I buy them with feathers on them. I suspect that if you plan to butcher them they are likely cheaper to buy already cut up.

I can agree with this. Aside from my penchant for easy cleaning and easy painting of walls, and my aversion to being surrounded by death; I always feel like the mount/replica owner got skinned.

I can empathize with the ex, good enough reason for a divorce. Don't focus on dead things, look to the future, the next fish may be bigger.

Could be a big dog and a kid, but the belly rising at the flank is more common to dogs and horses than to pigs or bears. The stifle and hock look horse like to me, as does the angle between the forearm and cannon at the knee and the angle of forearm to trunk. I can't imagine why a man would be petting a panther or a bear. It is a blur, and the camera man must have looked for tracks if he had doubts?