tjm

did I wonder if all the warmwater stocking doesn't take place within St Louis or in private ponds.

Did you recognize them after all that time? That was the August that I got caught horseback in a blinding snow squall at the foot of the Pequop mountain and thought I'd freeze to death, while a few miles away on the other side of a ridge all the other hands never saw any change in the bright hot day. Didn't believe me when I was 2 hours late at the meeting spot with no cows. But I really don't really recall hearing much about Woodstock until about a year later after I was in the navy and around younger guys that followed the bands that played there.

It's not just adaptation to the modified water? I have a question about these fish that I've never seen in the water, it appears that they spend most of their lives in the reservoirs, only entering the streams to spawn; so my questions are where did these fish live before the reservoirs were built? are they so weak that they can't work up a riffle or so big that they need a few feet of water to cover their gills? were they introduced to the reservoirs long ago?

Did it say there that these hatchery produced fish outnumber wild bred fish on most waters or that most Mo. waters are stocked with these fish? Do they maintain a list of what waters are stocked with what fish? Is C&R common for paddlefish or pallid sturgeon?

It was just another day on the ranch, probably branding or moving cattle, but Woodstock didn't cause much of a stir at the time. If I'd known ahead of time how it would turn out, I might have gone to see the elephant.

So, if you had a contained system like a very large aquarium and did actually catch and release for instance a hundred fish all apparently unharmed, except for some mark for future identification; then observed them over a several days and 15 of those fish died hours or days after release while all the uncaught fish did not die, you would attribute those dead fish to coincidence? This is how those studies work, they start with a known number and end with a known number and are compared to a control group of a similar size. Not perfect information gathering but not just WAG either. I've read about dozen such studies over the past 50 years and some were done better than others, but the ones with better controls and more stringent protocols were often the ones that showed higher mortality. Of course studies done by competent fish handlers in controlled conditions can only lead to an estimate of what actually happens with clumsy or uncaring handling. My feeling is that if fish biologists and hatchery workers find 10% delayed mortality then the actual recreational mortality might be as high as 30% simply because so many people don't release enough fish to ever become skilled at it or simply have to keep the fish out of water and drop it in the dirt 3-4 times to get that image of it. Those fish that die from handling rarely float and usually get consumed by crawdads or turtles so that keeps them out of sight and out of mind. If most of the fish you pursue are stocked you must be fishing only the Trout Parks. Trout is the only stocked species of fish that I have caught in my life time. And not even all of those were stocked, some were naturalized wild things. Even given a 5% mortality of C&R, when 50 anglers per day float the same stretch of stream and each catch and release 10 bass and they do this 2-3 days per week for 3-4 months per year; we are looking at possibly 3-5000 dead bass per summer on that stretch of creek. It's likely though that many of those fish were caught and released multiple times per day and thus the percentage of mortality increased but fewer fish harmed. And of course many kayakers will only catch 1-2 fish on a given day but then there are guys right behind them that are catching 50-100. And of course some of those fish would have died of natural causes anyway, the heron stalks.

Yes the box does get some people to test that would not do the scope, and that is good. Anything that catches the problem prior to needing the surgery that ends with a bag. Colostomy? In my case there is a family history that prompted my first check and that found a couple of benign polyps and resulted in a tattoo and a return visit and periodic repeats since. My last go round ('21) and the one my wife did last month, required a much smaller drink and a shorter prep time than previously. Didn't taste as awful either. I'm not sure how to determine that. Best wait til the next day, I guess.

go lyghtly with such talk The box, according to the quacks specialists that I've talked to, just lets them know that you need the scope done right now, or that they can wait a while. They strongly suggested just do the thing and get it over with. I'm on a three year rota with three behind me and one due soon. I wasn't drunk as long after the procedure with the last go round as I was with the first, used a different type of anesthesia, that first time they did both ends and I was giddy for several hours afterwards.

Wonder who would have been charged if the situation was reversed and the drunks were middle aged men assaulting a young guy who used a knife?

And the mob members go free as heroes. Blind Justice. He'd have been better off pleading temporary insanity than self defense.

Looks like an attempt by the prosecutors to remove a juror they perceive as hostile. Actually an alternate juror, and perhaps they didn't expect the judge to agree to dismiss the juror, it was a block to appeal on that basis. CYA action. Would you use that knife to cut bacon or spread butter with after it was bloodied? I guess the jury shouldn't be concerned with things done after the incident as much as the things leading up to the incident. If they put themselves in the guy's place as one against an assault by a drunk mob, they should conclude that he was or should have been in fear. After actions can be down to shock, adrenaline, continued fear, disorientation etc. His state of mind at time of the stabbing is the key to the level of the charges, and the jurors do have the option of convicting Miu on lesser charges.

Should we be? I was unaware of it until your post. But watching the prosecutor's video made me wonder how many of those young men are being charged with assault?

I've always thought the relation to finding them near trees is that the root mass upheaves the dirt elevating the fungus just enough to make it visible. I've seen pictures of them in pine straw that made them easy to spot too.

When asked about where they grow, I always say near "squirrel trees". But I have seen a few on the middle of open areas 100 yards from any tree. Then there are the places where they were there one year only and other places where they seem to appear in exactly the same spot year after year. Or the yard in town where they came up for 20-30 years until the owner had the pecan cut down and they never came back. I think that the only thing I know about finding them is that you have get out and look. They will be where you see them. I'm pretty sure that here they must have been up before that last cold snap with the frost, given soil moisture and temperature, but I wasn't feeling like mountain climbing and every one else said they couldn't happen until dogwood bloom. Which is like the tree thing, true enough sometimes but not actually any connection.

Oh, but all the experts say that they only grow next to "that kind of" tree. (and the other expert will say no. I only find by That kind of tree.) I went out this evening for 1/2 hour and it looks like I waited too long. But the younguns had walked this area a couple times without finding any

Is that the Old Wire Road crossing? (with the MDC parking lot) Shows as "Middle Wire Rd. Access" on this map- There is one crossing that borders the park, I guess could count as "above the park"? or do you mean the "Upper Access" that I have never found?

That statement alone should be enough to keep the voters from giving him anything. But I doubt that it will.

I haven't followed baseball in decades, but in the years that I did follow it, I always thought baseball on the radio was a lot more exciting than being there and watching it on TV was an excuse for a nap. If they still have good commentators on radio, that would be my recommendation, fish, work or plow while the boys play ball.

Should be a law that you have to eat every fish you catch. But then the permit sales would plummet to low numbers and the tournament anglers would be trying for small fish because who can eat 15# of bass? All the money in this $10.6bn recreational fishing business is dependent on C&R. Taxes on other things would have to increase to make up for all the taxes taken in on the estimated "$50bn a year on gear and trips". It doesn't bother me at all to kill fish to eat, but as long as C&R is legal I'll keep turning most of them loose out of laziness. I do expect that one day the animal rights segment will use C&R cruelty to ban recreational fishing, but maybe not for a few more years.

Don't you suppose the deck has to be loose so that it can expand and contract with temperature? I used to fish under a bridge that was about 6,130' over all length with 130' or so of clearance, the end of the deck was mounted to a roller on a slab of concrete and I've seen the roller moved several feet from winter to summer.

Pilot, not Captain, the Pilot would be a local navigator very familiar the local channels and currents that the ship's Captain would not necessarily know about. Ships over a certain size are required to hire a Pilot to enter most ports. A ship that size doesn't stop very well though and with out the engines wouldn't steer very well, a good reason to have a tugboat in attendance. Apparently the individuals on the bridge were all workers rather than drivers-

True, but DNA analysis show some signs that differentiate potential steelhead from potential resident trout within the same population, I don't pretend to know much about all that. The genetic study that started as the DNA research on the Mo. wild trout a few years ago, when completed shows numerous similarities to other groups of trout and many dissimilarities as well, I won't attempt to explain, nor could I, but Crane and Mill creeks have unique (and dissimilar) markers, one of which in the instance of Crane is more similar to the Sacramento River Coastal trout, an "inversion" found in the anadromous members more often than in resident members of that Sacramento group, than other groups of Mo. trout have, including the hatchery trout. I paid more attention to the Crane fish than to the other samples, and, it should be noted that samples taken below the blue ribbon area showed more similarity to hatchery fish, presumably because of stocking in Spring Creek. As I understand it the Mo. fish are not as closely related to the upper McCloud redband as they are to the McCloud coastal trout, but they have been isolated long enough that there has been some genetic drift making them unique to upper Crane, and that there have been some mixing with Mo. hatchery strains (records show some stocking there periodically up until the 1960s). You'd have to examine his charts and graphs to get a real picture of the many similarities and dissimilarities between the several groups of fish compared. Baird Station on the McCloud used numerous strains of trout and mixed them randomly and most of the stocked trout all over the world had origins in the Sacramento/McCloud/Pit Rivers. So, no surprise that our trout have that DNA, nor that it would be mixed rather than pure McCloud redband. Early Mo. stockings would likely have been from Mo. Fish Commision's Brown Spring Hatchery (built 1879, ended 1916) near St. Joseph, from embryos sourced from Baird. The Neosho Federal Hatchery was established in 1888 so after that time fish could have been supplied from there.n (I also remember that in the 1950s (and earlier?) every spring that had a stream of water as big as your hand had people trying to establish commercial "trout farms" and that many of those trout escaped and/or were released over time, I've caught trout in several streams that should not have them) I do hope that the study will be published, I'd like to have time to read and examine his findings and conclusions more closely. I think it merely confirms what I already believed from reading the various records.

Spent Friday there and saw no sowbugs at the sowbug. There were dozens of excellent fly tyers, even if the main theme seemed saltwater oriented. The Crane Creek trout are real trout but not defiantly unrelated to steelhead, interesting seminar though.

As near as i can recall every single year in the past 70+ has been at once the wettest & driest, as well as the coldest and hottest, I don't think we have had a "normal" weather year in my lifetime. But, doesn't some authority maintain records of past lake levels? accumulated precipitation from past years?

I read that trout sink because they have a pressure release valve on the swim bladder that some other fish don't have.