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I really don't know what the harm in having some of them around. I think most of the fecal coliforms in the river are from tame horses on trail rides and this is what is damaging water quality the most. Anyone care to elaborate on what the wild horses are damaging?

Interesting taxidermist, I have never regarded them as a nuisance animal. The majority of the problems on the Jack's Fork is caused by the registered Horses. They have become a novelty in that area and am not really sure of what damage that they are causing. Feral hogs compete with deer and turkeys for food. Feral dogs attack stock and humans. Feral cats kill rabbits and songbirds. By the way, nice smallie.

Phil, I think they add them thru Google Earth. You would have to purchase one of the full versions and not the free one. You might try some research in that area.

Trout fanatic, I think you meant that to read "far enough to the left, the radical left". The way some of the Obama rally's go with the fainting and all of the carrying on, the way they built him up at the convention, some actually think he is the second coming. Just another freaky thing about this guy. No experience, no agenda, just alot of money and alot of someone else telling him what to say.

Denjac, you would only be justified if someone was threatening your life. I carry in the outdoors mainly to deter dogs or a signaling device if I get hurt. For the most part, I only carry a 22. With the possibilities of bears now, maybe a larger caliber would be in order. In Alaska, you could conceal carry outdoors any where without a permit or license. I would like to see that around here and I would not even need a CCW permit.

Vote early, vote often! I sure hope we don't have a replay of the botched attempt by the Democrats to instill Gore in 2000.

The MO process is completing a training course which usually takes a day and costs between $75 and $100 and has to been done by a certified instructor. Its written and hands on. Then you apply with your local sheriff for the actual license, he runs a full background check and for another $100 he issues you a new permit application. You then take that to the local license bureau to get a new license with a CCW stamp on it. You are right about not being able to carry on any Federal Land, Streams like Current River and others in the Scenic Riverways posted signs shortly after the law passed. So did a lot of businesses and restaurants. I guess my point is that I am trying to get a feel on how many really use the permit to the full extent. Did you just go out and get certified and don't carry because everywhere you go has banned access to CCW or do you actually carry. I have carried every day in a vehicle since the law went into effect, but don't think I would carry other when I was outdoors.

Dano, its not the hunting I am worried about in Ark. Ark only allows handguns on water and around camps, boat accesses if you possess a CCW. Like I said, I prefer to carry in MO while on most streams due to incidents with stray dogs and meth labs. Also in Mo, I always possess a valid hunting license, in Ark I will only have a fishing license.

We actually spent the whole day there at the fair. I did not see the rat wheel, might have been worth the trip. We were looking for the 125 lb+ cabbages and only saw 50 pounders. The real competitors were not due in till the next week. We did eat good, lots of Halibut. I love halibut. I thought we were on the Ozark Anglers Forum, covering most of the best waters in Mo. and Ark., not just interests in one lake. I think the US will do just fine after the election hype is over and we have a couple of more years of normalcy.

Concealed carry has been available and legal in MO for over a year now and I have been sitting on the fence wondering if I needed to go thru the hassle of getting fully certified. I have carried, shot, instructed others in the use of, and enjoyed handguns for hunting and target practice since I was 18 and given my first 22 revolver. The first thing I did when I turned 21 was purchase a 357 Smith and Wesson 686 with a 6" barrel. The next purchase was a well worn Colt 1911 Government 45 acp. I reload and shoot handguns every chance I get. I have carried openly when fishing most streams for as long as I remember. I have used handguns to retrieve lures, repel feral dogs, take a few squirrels, and maybe deter a few attempts from undesireables from harm to my person. The new law satisfies most of my carry needs, I can carry a legal handgun, loaded, concealed, in my vehicle at any time. I would like to carry it sometimes, concealed, while on certain streams, without drawing attention to the fact that I am carrying. I would also like to be able to carry on streams in Ark. when I fish there too. Has anyone on here went thru the process to get registered and are there any pros and cons?

Thanks Techno for clarifying the info regarding the trooper thing. I have been reading Alaska Daily News online since 1999 when I planned the first trip to Alaska. I mainly read the Outdoors section, but read the headlines when I have time. I had read a few articles on the matter and had a pretty good idea of what was going on. I am no expert on Alaska, I have just been interested in it most of my life. My Grandparents made 2 trips there in my youth and I viewed many a slide show. My best friend did a residency internship in Kenai back in 1995, and made several annual trips back there. His good friend from high school moved there after graduation and has lived there ever since. I have been there twice and plan on going back several times more. Last year when we were in Alaska, I met Governor Palin at the Alaska State Fair in the Matanuska Maid milk stand. I wish I had taken a picture of us with her, would have been great to have now. I also know the Alaska State Troopers/Alaska Game Wardens have had a rough time in the last few years since they combined departments. I would think they probably have a rough time on patrol with the weather, long nights, and the alcohol and drug abuse that plagues Alaska residents. Alot of the calls are domestic disputes or substance abuse calls. And the communities are small enough that they know alot of the people that they have to deal with. Its not just political stuff, many on here have an interest in Alaska, so any information is probably well taken.

Are you a terrorist? Are you a felon? If so, I don't think you are allowed to vote so your opinion would not really matter anyway. Where did this attitude come from? Why would anyone on this forum believe anyone on here may be a terrorist under the Patriot Act? Chief, what happened to friendly discussions, seems like things are getting a little personal and combative. If you look into the article you will see Ayers was not prosecuted because of the way the FBI handled the investigation. Basically, they violated his civil rights in the way they collected the evidence against the group. Today, with the Patriot Act in place, he may have been shipped to Club Gitmo. Does it make him any less guilty, NO. Should he be teaching to young minds, NO. What does this have to do with Governor Palin and Tasergate?

I don't think the article inferred that it was only poor people that caused it, it was the lending industry that allowed the loans to exceed appraised values of homes in the first place. Large amounts of money was spent advertising the schemes and it really snowballed. Equal lending practices made it available to anyone, and many took advantage of it. Now they are upside down on a house that is worth less than what they owe. One little financial problem and the mortgage is in jeopardy. Most upstanding institutions did not pull this practice, just ones like Countrywide and others. Most of the time they never had the loan in the first place, they were just a mortgage broker, the middleman. And I don't tend to blame the democrats for the whole mess, Congress in general should have been involved in this along time ago as a whole, not as partisans fighting each other. What the video did point out was certain individuals did not make the best judgements, especially Obama. Look what he was involved in during his short career as a politician and try to fathom what could happen if he becomes President of the USA.

Was emailed this today from a Conservative, Republican friend and thought I would pass it on. Looks like Obama has already changed the US. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAF6vNtEgGA

Good research twosets. There is no doubt that Ayers was the leader of the Weatherunderground, the "group" that instigated the various bombings. While none had the impact of Oklahoma City or World Trade Center, they were still "terroristic acts" under current laws put in place since 911. And Obama is his friend!

Latest update from Alaska Daily News today. Seems like one is saying Ethics Violation and the other is saying she acted within her rights. Seems like Governor Palin and her aides think this has cleared her. Would be nice if we could see the whole report. Seems like the non-partisan report may have been biased. Palin says report vindicates her INVESTIGATION: Governor offers no apologies for her role in "Tasergate." By LISA DEMER ldemer@adn.com Published: October 12th, 2008 01:45 AM Last Modified: October 12th, 2008 04:41 AM In a brief telephone conversation Saturday with Alaska reporters, Gov. Sarah Palin said she did nothing wrong in the Troopergate affair involving her ex-brother-in-law and feels vindicated by a legislative investigation, the results of which are detailed in a hefty report. "Well, I'm very, very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing ... any hint of any kind of unethical activity there," the governor said from her car on the way to a campaign stop in Philadelphia. The investigation was ordered by the Legislature in July to examine the circumstances under which Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan was terminated. The results of that probe, released Friday, concluded she abused her power in pressing for the firing of an Alaska state trooper once married to her sister but was within her authority in firing Monegan. Palin's characterization of the report is wrong, Sen. Kim Elton said later Saturday when told of the governor's comments. The Juneau Democrat chairs the Legislative Council, which authorized the investigation and released the report. "Finding No. 1 says she violated the ethics law," Elton said. "Anybody who suggests that the report does not say she broke the law, they just need to read the report. They don't even need to read all 300 pages of it, just page seven or eight." Aides said Saturday that Palin had not read the report but had been "extensively briefed" on it. When Palin became John McCain's vice presidential running mate, the investigation became sharply politicized and the report's release didn't ease tensions. Special counsel Steve Branchflower, a retired state prosecutor, found that Palin failed to stop her husband, Todd, from pressuring state employees to fire Trooper Mike Wooten. Palin's sister and Wooten divorced in 2006 but continue to fight over custody and visitation. Branchflower determined Palin's termination of Monegan likely was related to his refusal to get rid of Wooten but still amounted to a "proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads." Palin has had barely any contact with Alaska reporters since going on the campaign trail in August. Saturday's tightly controlled telephone press conference with three Alaska reporters lasted for about 5 minutes and 30 seconds. Each reporter was limited to one question. Palin was traveling to a Philadelphia Flyers hockey game, where she dropped the puck. Taylor Griffin, a campaign spokesman, said she's trying to find more time to talk with Alaska reporters before the Nov. 4 election. Palin said she appreciated the chance to address what she called "Tasergate," a reference to an earlier finding in a state trooper investigation that determined her ex-brother-in-law used a Taser on his 11-year-old stepson, among other issues. Before Palin became governor, she and others in the family pushed troopers to investigate Wooten, then in the midst of the divorce, over a variety of issues, including the tasering. They claimed he threatened Palin's father, drank beer in his patrol car and illegally shot a moose, and the pressure continued once Palin was elected. Wooten ultimately was suspended for five days, but the Palins have said they didn't know the result of the internal trooper investigation until after Monegan's firing in July. "Todd did what the state's Department of Law Web site tells anyone to do if they have a concern about a state trooper. And that's you go to the commissioner and you express your concern," Palin said. Neither she nor Todd had anything to apologize for, the governor said. "Todd did what anyone would have done given this state trooper's very, very troubling behavior and his dangerous threats against our family," Palin said Saturday. "So again, nothing to apologize there with Todd's actions and again very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing." Yet, Elton said, if anything, Branchflower didn't go far enough in a separate finding that criticized the state Attorney General's office for failing to provide requested e-mails. That was just one problem with Attorney General Talis Colberg's actions in the case, the senator said. Colberg initially agreed to allow state workers to give depositions, then broke that agreement, and only after a court ruled the investigation was legitimate did he allow them to answer written questions, Elton said. On Saturday, Palin was asked whether she thought she had done anything wrong, given the report's finding that she abused her power. "Not at all and I'll tell ya ... I think that you're always going to ruffle feathers as you do what you believe is in the best interest of the people whom you are serving," Palin said. "In this case I knew that I had to have the right people in the right position at the right time in this cabinet to best serve Alaskans, and Walt Monegan was not the right person at the right time to meet the goals that we had set out in our administration." In a deposition for the Legislature's investigation, Monegan said he at first was confused about why he was fired but later came to believe Wooten's continued employment was the primary cause. "I had no idea. I suspected. But why I feel more certain now than I did in July is that I have watched through the media where she would make -- well, he didn't recruit enough, or he wasn't a budget player, or he wasn't concerned about the Bush enough." None of those things were true, Monegan told Branchflower. "So by her statements, it literally was a process of elimination for me ... What was the central theme through the 17 months of my tenure at (the Department of Public Safety)? And that was Wooten, from the beginning to the end." Asked whether the report was partisan, Palin said it was. "What this legislative investigation -- quote unquote -- turned into was a political circus," she said. The state Personnel Board, which is doing its own investigation, is the proper venue, she said. Palin was also asked about whether she approved of how the campaign is going in Alaska, especially regarding concerns about attacks on " good people," such as Monegan being called "rogue." "Rogue isn't a negative term when you consider that in a cabinet you need a team effort going forward with a governor's agenda," Palin said. What happens next is unclear. Some legislators are planning bills to address weaknesses exposed in the investigation. The Legislature could take up the report when it convenes in January. The Personnel Board's investigation continues on, but it's being done in secret. Under the state ethics act, the board has authority to impose fines or take other actions, including recommending impeachment, for ethics act violations.

I use a small dry bag in the boat and in the kayaks and it works fine. I picked it up at Gander Mountain, but almost every good sporting goods store has them. I put a handgun, wallet, keys, phone, and camera in there and they work fine. A Glad Lock container works good too. They have a positive locking system, offer crush protection, and have a watertight gasket. They are similar to a Pelican case, just a lot cheaper and you can pick them up in various sizes at Kmart or Wally World.

My finger controls the buttons on my remote just like they control the trigger of my firearms! obama channel just gets passed over like all the hispanic, non-american speaking channels do. Let him waste the Dems money, only those with weak minds will submit to the B.S.

Many get confused that Palin fired her ex-brother in law over the matter and do no realize the issue really was about a person in charge farther up the chain, Monegan. He refused direct orders from his superior, Palin, and she reassigned him to a different position. He either quit or was fired for failing to do his job at that position. The ex brother in law was a screw up, drinking while on duty, tasering his kid, and shooting a moose out of season. Palin never was able to get his job or exact any gain over the matter using her powers of Governorship. Todd Palin seems to be a culprit to some extent, being a strong business man, he may have been using his abilities to get something done. This matter has been going on for a long time, over a year if I remember correctly, just got pushed to center stage because of the election. I really don't see how this even compares to Obama and his terriorist friends....

Ask someone about Obama and you will get both!

Nor does he have ability. Least experienced presidential candidate in 100 years.

Everybody starts somewhere! I had to consult the net a few weeks back to confirm the best method to tye a marabou jig. I have been tying since the early 90's and never tyed a jig.

What about New Orleans? Brace yourself, Barry is going to lose. Don't trust the polls....

Looks like a simple San Juan worm. Attach vernille or micro chenille to hook at back, wind thread to front, wrap vernille to front and tye off. Burn ends with a flame of some sort. It is a pattern that I slay Longear Sunfish every spring with. I add a little lead wire to get it to sink faster. For trout, I leave it unweighted and fish it with a split shot.

Seriously, what educated voter would not know how to vote by now anyway. What could come out now that would really change any real voter at this point in the game. One is not electable and the other is marginal. Only the vote early, vote often types would be waiting for the last minute to make up their minds. Who answers the phone when a pollster calls? What really worries me is that some networks are already reporting a win by Obama in the electoral college, aka CBS. I smell a rat. Again! Remember 2000? Cute cartoon the other day showed McCain sprinting and sweating in a race and Obama being carried on the back of another guy with a Media tag around his neck. Obama was not even breaking a sweat. Around here, I only see a few Obama signs and tons of McCain/Palin. Let Barry drop his coins on the satellite, the constant ads on networks, I hope it bleeds the party dry.