Violations

[Phil Lilley]

On the bright side....Taney doesnt have Arkansas's problems; severely declining tailwater fisheries due to gross mismanagement, a corrupt fish & game commission, and a kill everything no-limit culture. It could be much worse. Cheers.

Wow- them are some powerful words there. Has nothing to do with my best buddy Forrest does it?

[Fly_Guy]

niangua has so many drunks spilling beer in the water and falling out of their canoes I'm surprised there is a fish living there..

Same for the Finley around Linden - waded way down there once - caught some big sm, but the fish up by the town were so used to the locals, IMO they would only bite on a Busch flavored ribworm. When you compare upper taney to a lot of these rivers around here, its the difference between Bubba's Bait Shack and Orvis. Haha - some of you Orvis types need to slog around the Niagua, or the Finley or the James at some of their more "locally flavored" accesses - next time you see someone shuffling in Taney, you'll just be thankful he's not urinating in it.

In passing - imagine what the already good smallmouth streams would be like were it not for some of the antics that go on around here in hillbilly USA... sportsmans paradise I reckon.

[Gavin]

Compare the fishing on the White and Norfork to what it was 25 years ago....and try to tell me that its been well managed !

[Wayne SW/MO]

Compare the fishing on the White and Norfork to what it was 25 years ago....and try to tell me that its been well managed laugh.gif !

Actually Gavin you could look at a lot of places and make that determination. One of the biggest problems is that license fees here and in many areas aren't enough to offset the pressure. Its hard to worry about non-native fish, at least for me, that are artificially kept at high numbers. The can always raise more, but fish such as stream Smallmouth, Crane trout, and probably some I'm forgetting, don't get the attention I believe they need.

[Danoinark]

I personally couldn't care less how well my local golf course is maintained. I don't golf. And if I did for some reason, you wouldn't catch me combing out a sand trap (unless it was against the rules-caveat). But I like driving balls at the range just for fun. I'll go there a few times a year to swing out some frustration, and as long as they have a basket of balls for me, I'm a happy guy. I could be driving them into a landfill for all I care. People who love golf would look at me as a clueless moron.

I can't remember who said: I love the game of golf....its great for keeping people off the stream.

Dano

[Bill Babler]

Gosh, my little thread got big. Thanks for the participation everyone. Wrench, you crack me up. Gave my a big laugh. All in fun.

MDC has done research on barb vs barbless, as Phil pointed out, about 15 years ago. Ulike other states that have it really for no good reason, other than that sounds good. MDC, did the work. On fly and artificial hooked fish no real difference on mortality. Using bait no real difference. If they swallow the hook and are gut hooked, you know the answer most of the time, reguardless of your hook.

When my son was at MIZZOU, he worked on a Brown Trout Project where the trout were fed a test group were fed a prepaired ration, another group a natural ration, and parts of each group were supplimented with whole kernel corn. The fish recieving the corn were completely outgrown by the complex ration and the natural ration. The corn filled the fish and they did not digest it properly or in the correct ammont of time and it stunted the growth. I believe he told me once they consumed the corn they really never recovered.

4 trout instead of 5 on possion limits. I believe financial considerations came into play at some point and this never happened. The beginning theory was to be able to keep 4 fish that were the same weight as the previous 5, to increase the size of the stockers, but still grow the same number of pounds of fish at the fish farm. It Ain't happened.

Fish are not nor have they been stocked on purpose above Fall Creek since the restricted zone came into place.

Turkeys do eat some quail, but they are not the culprit. Bunny huggers that devistated the fur market are to blame. Somehow this goofy world has determined that harvesting a renewable resoure is worse than depending on forign oil. If you look at the numbers of predators from the early 80's to date the rise is astronomical. Numbers of trapping lic. in the United States is about 10% of what it was in the 80's. Numbers of possum, coon, mink, martin, bobcat, red and grey fox, coyote are way above what they were back then, and we have way more predators. The only control they have is the hwy system, getting pressed. You jack fur prices up to the 1980 levels, and you will see quail, rabbits, and pheasants back. Raptors, who in the name of the Stl Louis Cardinals determined they were more valuable than quail and rabbits. Why they are protected who in the world knows. Yes they probably eat more field mice than they eat rabbits or quail, but you can bet your bippy they will eat everyone they can get a beak on.

Just some thoughts

[eric1978]

When my son was at MIZZOU, he worked on a Brown Trout Project where the trout were fed a test group were fed a prepaired ration, another group a natural ration, and parts of each group were supplimented with whole kernel corn. The fish recieving the corn were completely outgrown by the complex ration and the natural ration. The corn filled the fish and they did not digest it properly or in the correct ammont of time and it stunted the growth. I believe he told me once they consumed the corn they really never recovered.

That's part of the reason a lot of us are so unhealthy...corn. Just about everything we eat nowadays has corn in it, and it just ain't good for people...or fish.

[Brian K. Shaffer]

Bill wrote : " The fish recieving the corn were completely outgrown by the complex ration and the natural ration. The corn filled the fish and they did not digest it properly or in the correct ammont of time and it stunted the growth. I believe he told me once they consumed the corn they really never recovered. "

I do remember fishing off a dock by my old house with a guy who was throwing corm out by the can fulls.

The water was just clear enough that you could see the little pieces of corn dissapear as the trout gobbled them up.

It's a shame they eat corn up like its candy. I wonder if thier palate can ' taste ' the sweetness

Do they puke it out if they realize they are not digesting it ? In order to eat something digestible ?

Brian

[eric1978]

Bill wrote : " The fish recieving the corn were completely outgrown by the complex ration and the natural ration. The corn filled the fish and they did not digest it properly or in the correct ammont of time and it stunted the growth. I believe he told me once they consumed the corn they really never recovered. "

I do remember fishing off a dock by my old house with a guy who was throwing corm out by the can fulls.

The water was just clear enough that you could see the little pieces of corn dissapear as the trout gobbled them up.

It's a shame they eat corn up like its candy. I wonder if thier palate can ' taste ' the sweetness

Do they puke it out if they realize they are not digesting it ? In order to eat something digestible ?

Brian

From Pennsylvania Fish & Boat Commission

Commission fisheries biologist Tom Bender at our Benner Spring Fish Research Station conducted a study in 1992 that examined the impact of corn on trout. For the study, two groups of hatchery rainbow trout were held in separate tanks and tested for 54 days. In one tank, 20 rainbow trout (average size 8.3 inches) were fed a diet of whole kernel corn. In the second tank, 20 rainbow trout of the same size were fed a standard trout pellet diet.

During the 54 day study period, no mortalities occurred from trout of either study group. However, study results did show that the trout fed with a corn diet did not digest the corn particularly well. The growth observed by the corn-fed trout during the study period was only about half of that observed from the trout that were fed the standard trout pellet diet.

The conclusion from this study was that there appears to be little reason for concern about the short term health hazards for rainbow trout when whole kernel corn is used for bait. Although there are better diets for trout than whole kernel corn, this study confirms that mortality does not occur when trout ingest whole kernel corn.

[strangercreek]

It all boils down to the difference between fishermen and sportsmen.

A fisherman is someone who has a rod, reel, hook line and sinker, and casts it into the water. They may or may not catch something. They may or may not keep it.

A sportsman is someone who spends every waking moment of his life thinking of how to improve his knowledge of angling. He may keep some dinks to treat his family with if he knows positively the fishery can handle creels, but it's the last thing on his mind most times.

It's all about what you value. I personally couldn't care less how well my local golf course is maintained. I don't golf. And if I did for some reason, you wouldn't catch me combing out a sand trap (unless it was against the rules-caveat). But I like driving balls at the range just for fun. I'll go there a few times a year to swing out some frustration, and as long as they have a basket of balls for me, I'm a happy guy. I could be driving them into a landfill for all I care. People who love golf would look at me as a clueless moron.

Sportsmen want tighter regs because they love their hobby. Fishermen really don't care.

good insight, and I think it is very relevant to the Taney fishery

...and laughing at Fly_Guy's "kittens for muskies comment" lol