Rio Fly Line - On Sale, Don't Pay $70

[Flysmallie]

There is no difference in the product, Capitalism is what makes our country spin and the right to do what ever you want as long as it is LEGAL.

You all have made valid comments and I think that a fly shop could capitalize on this if they wanted to.

I would rather the person that is doing everything Legal and that has made the life long investment to make the money.

WOO HOO for Brian he found some fly lines on sale bought everyone of them I bet he has only $25-30/line invested. Hope he does well with his venture.

I have actually had some problems with fly lines and they were due to manufacture defect I had to return with a paid receipt form where I bought them and the company which BTW was Rio replaced them.

If I had no receipt then RIO said they would not replace them so I guess if I paid $50 for a line I might as well burned the $50 .

I had to learn this the hard way with a reel I bought from an individual he told me it had a lifetime warranty on it the reel had to have some work done on it about 3 months latter. I sent it in with my return address on it they called me and asked about the name for the repair order I told them the story. I am now out my $150 and am a proud owner of a reel that does not work.

Again Good luck and congrats to Brian on finding a good deal and capitalizing on it.

All good points John. But I think that everyone realizes that when you buy something from an individual that any warranty is out the window.

But there have been a couple of suggestions on here that what Brian is doing is illegal. I don't think he is selling pot out of the trunk of his car, probably make a better profit if he was. Yeah, if he doesn't claim his profit to the IRS we are all getting screwed and he should be in jail immediately. But how many of you have ever sold anything that you owned personally and didn't report it? Ever have a garage sale?

Brian, if you need some help setting up a Business and Tax ID let me know. It's very easy and the expense is minimal. Then you will be a legal business and maybe then we can move onto something more important.

[Forsythian]

I'd been to Michael's shop on Battlefield in the past, and enjoyed shopping there. I didn't get to Springpatch very often, but when I did and I had the time, I sometimes made the personal choice to shop there rather than Bass Pro.

That said, nothing gets my goat more than the "turf" and "entitlement" attitude on display here... if the shop hadn't changed hands, I'd vow today to never step foot in it again.

I work for a small business that truly understands (thank goodness) that you don't look over your shoulder and sweat the ankle-biters and you sure as heck don't insult the intelligence of your consumer. We know our customers owe us nothing. We survive with service, price, and/or innovation, not with loyalty.

good grief Charlie Brown !

[Brian K. Shaffer]

john wrote - " I am now out my $150 and am a proud owner of a reel that does not work. "

Under any circumstances, I would offer to help fix the reel if given the chance. I like fly reels and have been messing with them since 1993 or so. I've converted several from left to right hand (or vice versa) actually in shops that didnt know how. (ATH, Marryat, Billy Pate, Orvis).

I've worked on Hardy reels dating back to 1903 and even Hatch reels that just made the scene. Perhaps I could fix it for you.

FlySmallie - not sure I need to incorporate at this point. Looks like what I need is a lawyer. (that's a joke, it's meant to make people laugh / far from where this post has ended up)

Brian

[ness]

I work for a small business that truly understands (thank goodness) that you don't look over your shoulder and sweat the ankle-biters and you sure as heck don't insult the intelligence of your consumer. We know our customers owe us nothing. We survive with service, price, and/or innovation, not with loyalty.

good grief Charlie Brown !

Good thoughts there Forsythian.

You know, it'd be one thing if Brian made a habit of selling questionably obtained stuff, undercutting the local fly shops at every turn, and flooding the forum with advertisements. But, as far as I can tell, this is a onesy. Frankly, I'm kinda surprised anyone really gives a rat's arse.

Hey Brian -- do you still have those Winston WTs on sale for $75?

[3wt]

Sell away Brian.

If somebody can sell it for a lower price they should. If it shutters a local shop, then the local shops will have to change the way the do business OR if they can't compete they should fail... it sounds callous but without failures our system fails and we all suffer. What we don't need is inflation right now and this turf nonsense would certainly inflate prices. It won't eliminate local shops, but will eventually cause a change that lowers prices and allows them to compete.

I only wish I needed the 5wt for my Sage...

[catman]

I got a older Made in England Orvis Battenkill 5/6 click & pawl reel from Brian, it was perfect.....my .02

He's good joe in my book..

[zsmith62]

I've tried my best to stay out of this discussion, I really have no business crossing lines with anyone involved in any kind of debate going on here...

However, after not reading this topic for a while and looking back on it, there was something that caught my eye, and gave me an idea on something fly shops could possibly do to bring in some outside profit...

Flysmallie said:

Maybe you guys should attack sites like ebay, who are probably doing some real damage, and leave small time guys like Brian alone.

That got me thinking, you see, I work for a company here in town that takes some high-dollar/quality used merchandise in on trades, and then turns around to sell it either in the store, or on ebay. Now, one way that the local guys could offset any lost sales to ebay would be to set up their own account and do some business through it. Maybe experimenting with taking trades on undamaged rods, reels and even some of your higher quality waders. You wouldn't have to buy the products outright, or even have to sell them to the general public in the store, but you can get a lot of outside exposure by doing sales on ebay. The company I'm with also does a pretty fair amount of regular online business, but by putting product on ebay, we have found ways to reach an entirely different market, and have now reached customers in all different parts of the country, even different parts of the world for that matter...

Just something to consider...

[drew03cmc]

Interesting!!!!!!

Black Market Fly lines.

It really does not matter to me but I would like to raise this question.

I used to have to bite my tongue on here because of our shop I do not have to do so any more.

Why are there people out here that do not want fly shops to make any money and would want to undercut.

My wife and I have just sold our for profit fly shop that is how we made our living. It makes me mad even to this day that their are people out there that think it is ok to sale out of their trunk.

Their are 7 fly shops in this area that can use your money more than someone that is selling out their trunk. The fly shop owners have taken the step and made the investment some of the shops you will like and some you will not, but support some one that is doing it the right way.

I bet if you walked into one of the fly shops and asked for a deal they will give it to you. Thats the glory of owning your own shop do what you want. Yes the manufacture sets the price and they all should be sold the at the same price. At least they are getting the sale and can pay the bank. So that they can keep their doors open so that you can call and ask any question about fishing, fly tying, gear what ever you want to ask.

What if something happens to the product that you just bought out the trunk how are you going to prove where you bought the product. Most of the manufactures will repair or replace in the first 6 months of use no matter what the product is but it has to be accompanied by a receipt from a dealer. This even goes for rods now they have a limited Lifetime Warranty bust must have receipt where you bought it plus the warranty card must be on file with the manufacture.

All I am asking is that we support our local Fly shops in this tough economic times.

Honestly? This is what this forum has come to? Michael, I don't know you from Adam, but this post alone would have kept me from coming into your fly shop. Thank you for confirming what some have told me about you.

How about supporting your local FAMILY during these tough economic times? I think that is the real factor here. I have NEVER paid full price for a fly line, hell, I just bought a brand new SA XPS WF4F for $29.50 yesterday. Should that fly shop be closed down and investigated? I know they sold it for a loss, unless fly shop owners buy this crap for next to nothing, in which case I have gotten screwed in the rear end multiple times by fly shop owners.

I agree with Michael, I try to spend all my money with my local shops, I don't mail

order or by from people that are trying to sell stuff out of their homes or cars, where

will they be if I have a problem with my discount item, I'll tell you where they will be nowhere in sight when you have a problem, I've been dealing with Tim's Fly Shop and some with Backcountry outfitters for years and I've had a problem now and again and both shops were quick to help out and replace or fix the problem, get that from someone over the internet, not going to happen.

I shop with the shops in Branson while I'm there fishing but I buy mostly from my local shops. I remember once I had purchased a line from one of the above mentioned shops, it had a bubble or something about 30 feet into the line,I fished it awhile and when in the

shop next I told the owner, he looked at the line, replaced it, put a new line on for me

told me it was a problem for the manufacturer and it was done, great customer service.

So think about that kind of stuff before buying from someone that is selling stuff in bulk out of the house or car, what kind of help can you get from them in the future, NONE.

Anyway I like calling the shops for water updates, it really helps sometimes.

I don't know Brian and this is not against him in any way, but I support my local shops.

Hmm, come trash someone's for sale ad with your little "support your local fly shop" agenda...for real? Brian is one of the most upstanding guys I have ever talked to, and if there is a problem with a reel, he knows how and where to fix it. A line, well, that is a line, and if you contact Rio or SA, they will have you send the line in and replace it. Big frickin deal, like everyone on here doesn't have multiple fly lines laying around the house to fish while your other line is on its way to or from the manufacturer.

I am with Michael and Troutgod on this one.

I support the shops and always will they have stuff discounted in the shops that I will buy. In fact I was in a Readings right be for the parks closed and he had some fly lines that were on sale I bought 3 lines for $100. (they were 70 dollar/line) Not bad and I know if something happens to them Charlie will take care of me.

I wonder what will happen if there are problems with any thing that is sold like this.

Oh yea forsythian said as long as it is legal.

I would assume that everything is being reported as either income or through the MDR as sales tax via a state issued sales tax number and the appropriate percent is being payed to our fine government.

Ha, the taxes have been paid before when the lines were purchased up front. Also, sales tax is not required unless you are a business. Do you pay tax on ebay? I did not think so.

I think that you all have missed the point and I bet if you were in retail business for your self you would understand the topic more. You have done everything in your power to make sure that people are coming through your door for what ever product it might be.

You have made an investment then some joe blow off the cuff person comes across a deal and then tries to capitalize on your customers. Thats not right and I am willing to bet the farm that he/she is trying to double the money that he /she has invested.

So who would you rather make the money, some fly by the night or some one that has an established business and will always be there with help and answers to your needs.

Yes we are in survival mode and I can assure you that people that own there own business and that is their lively hood need the money more than someone with a day job and a steady income that runs across a deal then tries to capitalize on the find.

Are you serious? I believe you have missed the point. Brian has excess lines that he is selling to help someone else save a few bucks with a top notch fly line. These are not Mainstream lines that he is selling for $50, they are very good lines.

There is no difference in the product, Capitalism is what makes our country spin and the right to do what ever you want as long as it is LEGAL.

You all have made valid comments and I think that a fly shop could capitalize on this if they wanted to.

I would rather the person that is doing everything Legal and that has made the life long investment to make the money.

WOO HOO for Brian he found some fly lines on sale bought everyone of them I bet he has only $25-30/line invested. Hope he does well with his venture.

I have actually had some problems with fly lines and they were due to manufacture defect I had to return with a paid receipt form where I bought them and the company which BTW was Rio replaced them.

If I had no receipt then RIO said they would not replace them so I guess if I paid $50 for a line I might as well burned the $50 .

I had to learn this the hard way with a reel I bought from an individual he told me it had a lifetime warranty on it the reel had to have some work done on it about 3 months latter. I sent it in with my return address on it they called me and asked about the name for the repair order I told them the story. I am now out my $150 and am a proud owner of a reel that does not work.

Again Good luck and congrats to Brian on finding a good deal and capitalizing on it.

John, what kind of reel? There are a few guys on here that can fix it for you for little more than the price of parts. (me included)

Everyone, get off of Brian. He is just unloading excess gear he has lying around the house. Did anyone get onto my friend Chris about this ad? http://ozarkanglers.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20436

How about mikeb for this one? http://ozarkanglers.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20686

How about Laker for this one? http://ozarkanglers.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20347 I do not believe that Sage's warranty is transferable.

Do I really need to keep going or do you all get the point? He bought some lines and is reselling them. Big flippin' deal. Get over yourselves, especially you retail nuts. By the way, have you seen Phil's prices on the Rio Mainstream lines? Is that illegal too?

[eric1978]

Yeah, what Drew said. This attack on Brian is preposterous. Why do you think monopolies are illegal? Get off your high horse MK.

[snagged in outlet 3]

I'm buying one of the lines, and here is my take on this. Is this any different than the "retailer" marking them down for a "sale". Didn't the fly shop in Springfield have a big going out of business sale?

SIO3