Rio Fly Line - On Sale, Don't Pay $70

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Oh it's been used my friend. I just haven't told you where. Let's just say it was sunny and the bartender only spoke spanish until you gave her a tip.

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[patfish]

Oh it's been used my friend. I just haven't told you where. Let's just say it was sunny and the bartender only spoke spanish until you gave her a tip.

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Man! If I had feelings, that would hurt.

[eric1978]

AS far as this post I am and will be a firm believer in the SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL BUSINESS no matter what they are selling. I assure you if you guys walk a few steps in the owners foot steps you will understand. When you buy a product form them there is a lot of value with it other than just the price. They know the product in and out not saying Brian does not know either but, you own a fly shop you just got a new new shipment of gear you put it on the rack for the MSRP then you find out that some one just found a deal and is undercutting your price. Then you sit on the product for 60 days invoice is due now and you have not sold the product because you got undercut. BELIEVE ME IT HAPPENS.

Yeah, it happens. That's business, and it's like that in EVERY business. If you don't keep your prices competitive, you won't make sales. If the manufacturer tells you they will no longer do business with you if you discount their items, yet you can't sell them at MSRP, then I guess you should look into selling a different product.

Competition makes the world go 'round and allows for true market value, which keeps prices reasonable and fair for buyers. Why do you think so many people go bankrupt and lose their homes over medical bills? No competition in the health care industry. If you had it your way MK, fly shops would have a collective monopoly, and fishermen would only be able to buy equipment at a few select places that would set their prices however they wanted. (And there would only be two fly shops remaining eventually, called Cabela's and BPS). You want some fly line? Okay, that'll be $300. If you don't like that price, we suggest you go buy some kite string because you can't get this product cheaper anywhere else. Prices should be set according to what consumers are willing to pay for an item, not according to how much a retailer can inflate it and gouge a buyer.

I always try to patronize local businesses if I can, but if their prices are not reasonable, I'm going somewhere else because their business is not as important to me as the thickness of my wallet. Every penny counts these days, and just because you took on the liabilities of owning a shop, doesn't mean that anyone owes you their business. If a small local fly shop has an item I want for the same price as BPS, I'm buying from the small shop. But if another fly shop in Idaho has it for half-off, or a guy in the parking lot for that matter, you bet your butt I'm buying from them. If that means I'll potentially run into warranty issues, then that's a risk I will consider before making the purchase.

If you want to complain about how hard it is for small-business owners these days, I suggest you start pointing your finger at giant corporations like Wal-Mart, and more specifically in your old business, Cabelas and BPS, because they are the problem, not a guy with a case of fly line he bought at wholesale prices and is trying to turn a few bucks profit.

No one is claiming you're a bad guy MK, I just think some of us caught a whiff of entitlement in your post. And in this dog-eat-dog economy, putting food on the table is all that matters for many, and loyalty is thrown out the window.

[Sherwood Flycaster]

No one is claiming you're a bad guy MK, I just think some of us caught a whiff of entitlement in your post.

I smelleda little of that myself. I also think it presumptuous of anyone to assume they know how/where/why Shaffer got a hold of this now infamous batch of fly line much less why he would like to get rid of it since that information isn't available far as I can tell.

[Flysmallie]

Prices should be set according to what consumers are willing to pay for an item, not according to how much a retailer can inflate it and gouge a buyer.

But in this case it's not the retailer that gets to figure out what the fair price is. In the business I am in we have the same deal. The manufacturer of most of the products set the final customer price. These are also the items that we make the lowest GP on.

So you say, "Well find a different supplier", easier said than done. In the fly shops case, how can you be in business and not carry Rio products? The manufacturer has you where they want you. In my company's case it means 70% of our business. Can't just go find another supplier, it's not that easy.

However, if someone finds a good deal, they can do whatever they want with it. The manufacturer has no controls over them.

So instead of standing up to the manufacturer we scream and cry over what the "wagon peddler" is doing. Nothing against Michael, I've heard this complaint from store managers for close to 15 years. But what everyone needs to do is take a step back and realize that you are loosing very little. Brian is not going to become the Almighty Rio distributor for the area. He will sell what he has and move on to something else and most fly shops in the area will not lose much if anything at all. But it is still a sore spot to the shops that have to follow all the rules.

So good luck Brian (anybody think he will ever post another item for sale on here); and Michael, I can send over a six-pack if it will help calm you down.

[Micheal Kyle]

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If you want to complain about how hard it is for small-business owners these days, I suggest you start pointing your finger at giant corporations like Wal-Mart, and more specifically in your old business, Cabalas and BPS, because they are the problem, not a guy with a case of fly line he bought at wholesale prices and is trying to turn a few bucks profit.

No one is claiming you're a bad guy MK, I just think some of us caught a whiff of entitlement in your post. And in this dog-eat-dog economy, putting food on the table is all that matters for many, and loyalty is thrown out the window.

I have complained enough about the big box and people that know me know where I stand on that issue.

I just felt that the title of this thread was a direct blow to the fly shops

Rio Fly Line - On Sale, Don't Pay $70

I feel that we are starting to beat a dead horse

Good luck to Brian and his venture in his fly lines

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OK enough of that

I will only if you will drink it with me.

Ronnie great points I had left that out

Lets move on to some fishing and or duck hunting reports

[Flysmallie]

I will only if you will drink it with me.

Ronnie great points I had left that out

Well okay but we are going to need more than a six-pack now!!

[eric1978]

But in this case it's not the retailer that gets to figure out what the fair price is. In the business I am in we have the same deal. The manufacturer of most of the products set the final customer price. These are also the items that we make the lowest GP on.

So you say, "Well find a different supplier", easier said than done. In the fly shops case, how can you be in business and not carry Rio products? The manufacturer has you where they want you. In my company's case it means 70% of our business. Can't just go find another supplier, it's not that easy.

Oh, you wanna go Ronnie?

No, I hear what you're saying, and generally I acknowledge and appreciate that problem for retailers. But in this particular case (and I believe it's been mentioned), Cabela's had Rio line on sale for 50% off a while back, so I doubt that it was manufacturer guidelines that was the issue. It sounded to me like: "That guy doesn't deserve to earn money, and this guy does. So you should buy from this guy even though he charges more because he has overhead."

[Micheal Kyle]

Well okay but we are going to need more than a six-pack now!!

Yea I think we might need to have a kum ba yah party at the pavilion sponsored by Miller Lite

Oh yea it will be no cover so that their will not be the issue of who is making the buck.

[ness]

Nicely done gentlemen.

I'd like to thank everybody for their participation in this. I hereby declare this thread closed.

That includes closed to people who want to know how I can close a thread.

Violators will be persecuted.