fishinwrench Posted August 2, 2010 Posted August 2, 2010 If a pollution event occurs.... If ? Don't you mean "When" ? And has it not happened already ?
Members two fish Posted August 2, 2010 Members Posted August 2, 2010 Here are some links to studies & opinions of known enviromental conditions, both natural ocurring and man-made (injected) chemicals/metals/radionuclides that comes with gas well fracking. All links were active as of this morning August 02, 2010. A link on ProPublica website (first paragraph blue text) to the New York State release of the known chemical used gas well fracking,,,,the .pdf file is large, but worth down loading: http://www.propublica.org/feature/new-york-drilling-study-a-big-step-forward-1022 http://www.epa.gov/radiation/tenorm/oilandgas.html http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/88797112.html http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/28577813 http://drillingsantafe.blogspot.com/ GAO Audits of the BLM gas leases: http://www.gao.gov/docsearch/locate?searched=1&o=0&order_by=rel&old_keyword=&ft=&rpp=&order_by=&order_in=&search_type=&add_topic=&remove_topic=&add_type=&remove_type=&add_fed_type=&remove_fed_type=&add_fed_desc=&remove_fed_desc=&add_year=&remove_type=&keyword=BLM%2C+drilling+leases What is really happening deep below our feet,,,,,a chemical-catalytic reaction using the earth as a reaction vessel: http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/18119/
Members two fish Posted August 3, 2010 Members Posted August 3, 2010 What happened? Where did everyone go?? Is it something I said?? ha!! I was going to hold back some of the heavy data for rainy days,,,but time is of the essence. Once they frack/react a well, the suitability for safe human habitation is all but over for that piece of land. To better understand what is occuring in the Fayetteville gas play, one only has to research the studie(s) done within the more developed Barnett gas play in Texas. http://www.edf.org/documents/9235_Barnett_Shale_Report.pdf There is more to the story that just the fracking & reacting. Toxic drilling fluids remaining in well/well casing ruptures/millions of gallons of toxic waste water/leaky or substandard containment ponds/increased air-soil concentrations of "fugutive" volatile petroleum derivatives (benzene's & radionuclides)/high pressure gas pipelines close to residents-schools-cities-businesses/compressor stations/noise/heavy equipment-dangerous chemicals constantly being transported in & out of these regions/on & on the list goes. It is the definition of criminal "exploitation" in my opinion,,,,only a few are financially rewarded when all is said & done. The "Commomwealth" (small land owners/renters) in these rural gas play regions enter into or remain in poverty, just like the coal mining communities (commonwealth) of the Applachian Mountains.
ozark trout fisher Posted August 4, 2010 Posted August 4, 2010 What happened? Where did everyone go?? Is it something I said?? ha!! I was going to hold back some of the heavy data for rainy days,,,but time is of the essence. Once they frack/react a well, the suitability for safe human habitation is all but over for that piece of land. To better understand what is occuring in the Fayetteville gas play, one only has to research the studie(s) done within the more developed Barnett gas play in Texas. http://www.edf.org/documents/9235_Barnett_Shale_Report.pdf There is more to the story that just the fracking & reacting. Toxic drilling fluids remaining in well/well casing ruptures/millions of gallons of toxic waste water/leaky or substandard containment ponds/increased air-soil concentrations of "fugutive" volatile petroleum derivatives (benzene's & radionuclides)/high pressure gas pipelines close to residents-schools-cities-businesses/compressor stations/noise/heavy equipment-dangerous chemicals constantly being transported in & out of these regions/on & on the list goes. It is the definition of criminal "exploitation" in my opinion,,,,only a few are financially rewarded when all is said & done. The "Commomwealth" (small land owners/renters) in these rural gas play regions enter into or remain in poverty, just like the coal mining communities (commonwealth) of the Applachian Mountains. Gas fracking is bad news. If it threatens the Ozarks, we all need to stand up and oppose it in any form. Not only does it cause water to be sucked from streams, but it could also cause more widespread problems. The ruining of our groundwater supply is one possible, and disastrous outcome. How many times can we let the oil and gas industry rape and pillage everything we enjoy and need before we stand up to them? Let's see.. Exxon Valdez, Alberta Tar Sands, the BP Oil Spill, and now this? We need to keep their grimy hands off our water supply.
Members two fish Posted August 8, 2010 Members Posted August 8, 2010 Gas fracking is bad news. If it threatens the Ozarks, we all need to stand up and oppose it in any form. Not only does it cause water to be sucked from streams, but it could also cause more widespread problems. The ruining of our groundwater supply is one possible, and disastrous outcome. How many times can we let the oil and gas industry rape and pillage everything we enjoy and need before we stand up to them? Let's see.. Exxon Valdez, Alberta Tar Sands, the BP Oil Spill, and now this? We need to keep their grimy hands off our water supply. I performed a quick patent check to see if any processes of converting coal to gas at the site of the coal bed had been applied for/issued. This is one of the "hits' I received,,,,thought everyone might find of interest. SITU COAL BED GASIFICATION United States Patent 3794116 http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3794116.html I think the chemicals/catalyst & their ratio's are one of the weak legs the industry is trying to stand on as being proprietary, not just as a fracking mixture,,,,,,but more importantly a reacting (gas producing) mixture. As you read the patent & other similar ones begin to compare what is said, versus what your personal experiences have been within these gas plays. This is the real truth the industry does not want the poeple to understand. The patent process has been known for several years,,,,but the industry could not get past the Safe Drinking Water Act regulations. This one patent explains why the this frack/react process would be impossible to comply with the SDWA.
Members two fish Posted August 12, 2010 Members Posted August 12, 2010 Gas fracking is bad news. If it threatens the Ozarks, we all need to stand up and oppose it in any form. Not only does it cause water to be sucked from streams, but it could also cause more widespread problems. The ruining of our groundwater supply is one possible, and disastrous outcome. How many times can we let the oil and gas industry rape and pillage everything we enjoy and need before we stand up to them? Let's see.. Exxon Valdez, Alberta Tar Sands, the BP Oil Spill, and now this? We need to keep their grimy hands off our water supply. Another documentary about the toxic exploitation of America (Land Out of Time). Listen carefully to the statement by a Rocky Mountain sportsman at the end of the movie trailer. The toxic results of criminalistic greed is now spreading like an airborne disease,,, sportsman/outdoors/ranchers/farmers/rural property owners-renters,,,,,,a.k.a....anyone that gives a darn about the people & the land had better wake-up/stand-up or be prepared to carry the burden of the consequences of selling out. Sorry to be so harsh,,,,but the industry is playing for keeps. http://www.alandoutoftime.com/watchthetrailer.html
Members two fish Posted September 11, 2010 Members Posted September 11, 2010 Journey of the Forsaken: An excellent detailed discussion with great graphics about in-situ coal bed gasification/hydrualic fracturing. Step by step processes explained, chemicals listed with thier purposes, geological strata/faulting explained, etc... It is a great article by an industry knowledgable person that has expereinced it in thier own region of Gasland`istan, America. http://www.journeyoftheforsaken.com/fracpage.htm
Mitch f Posted May 6, 2011 Posted May 6, 2011 I noticed Exxon Mobile is at it again with the Gas Frackin commercials, they have a geologist stating we have 100 years worth of energy "right below our feet, providing energy security and economic growth all across the country" "Honor is a man's gift to himself" Rob Roy McGregor
Al Agnew Posted May 7, 2011 Author Posted May 7, 2011 I was a little dismayed to learn that there is a potential fracking field only about 25 miles up the Shields River valley from where our house is in Montana. The Shields is a nice trout stream that runs into the Yellowstone about four miles downstream from the house. Park County has an organization that has been formed to do whatever they can to try to make sure the fracking is done with "best management practices", but as somebody said at the meeting I went to, is even "best management practices" good enough to avoid a lot of harm? If you haven't seen "Gasland" yet, and get a chance to see it, do so. It will scare the bejeebus out of you and make you very mad.
gotmuddy Posted May 7, 2011 Posted May 7, 2011 We had a guy in the shop that is a driller for some company(dont remember which) who said his company used salt water and sand, no chemicals of any sort. If that is the case, why cant every company do that? everything in this post is purely opinion and is said to annoy you.
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