Lead Ban On All Fishing Tackle

[Chief Grey Bear]

HEY........... Fellows ,, I think you are missing the ORIGNAL point....

The point is too many people , with too much money and to much time, are trying to tell us (working people ) how to live our lives...

So, if you are willing to let them run your life - - Keep talking about it on this board ..... If you want to stop them ..... Write a letter, send an Email, or contact your congressman !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are so right!! Ever since them liberal BassTurds banned DDT, and we lost of all of those jobs,.........

[Outside Bend]

I guess I'm at a loss for words...

Thousands of studies have been performed conclusively illustrating lead's toxicity- to people, to livestock, to other mammals, to birds, to fish, to invertebrates, to amphibians, to plants. Lead's toxicity has been understood for at least 2500 years. The Greeks figured it out. The Egyptians figured it out. The Romans figured it out. People have recognized lead as a poison since before people recognized the Earth revolved around the Sun.

I figure at this point the issue's pretty much been settled. If you can't figure it out, it's not because there's a lack of research.

[eric1978]

I guess I'm at a loss for words...

Just give it up, OB. You can't convince someone who denies reality. I give you an A for effort though.

[Smalliebigs]

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not still there. It is estimated that there are still more than 50 million gallons floating around out there.

From New Republic:

"About one-quarter of the oil is still bobbing on the sea surface or washed ashore. Another quarter has been dispersed into microscopic droplets, either by artificial chemicals or natural processes. And another quarter has been "dissolved." All told, just 25 percent has been physically removed from the Gulf ecosystem. The rest is still lurking... somewhere. But what sorts of harm is that lingering oil doing? As the NOAA notes, answering that question will take time and a lot more research.

"Consider the "dissolved" oil. This crude didn't just vanish entirely—it's still mixed in with the water. A number of marine scientists have pointed out that dissolved oil can still poison the small organisms that underpin the Gulf's food chain. As The New York Times reported last week, "The effect on sea life of the large amounts of oil that dissolved below the surface is still a mystery."

Anyway, back to lead...just because it's mined from the earth doesn't mean it's okay to discard it anywhere. Plastic is made from petroleum...from the earth. You don't just throw your soda bottles in the river do you?

Don't get me wrong, I use lead, but that's mainly because there is no other alternative for many of the uses involved with fishing tackle. If there was, I'd use it, even if I had to pay more. Wouldn't you?

Eric, I have been using Brass and Tungsten for about the last 10 years......the brass river weights I buy that weigh 4 to 6 ounces are very expensive but I do it.Even my Brass and Tungsten bullets aren't cheap. The main reason I use brass and here is one of my gaurded secrets, is that brass clicks on pea gravel or stones where lead has a dull thud sound.The clicking is similar to the sound crawdads make underwater.Brass outfishes lead in a river with a stone bottom any day of the week. Since my tournament years I'm convinced that Brass and Tungsten out fish lead and have been fishing them ever since.

[zarraspook]

BRASS contains LEAD... as stated and banned by the state of California.... the following is from Wikipedia...

By definition brass will ( as made/used today ) will be banned !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lead content

To enhance the machinability of brass, lead is often added in concentrations of around 2%. Since lead has a lower melting point than the other constituents of the brass, it tends to migrate towards the grain boundaries in the form of globules as it cools from casting. The pattern the globules form on the surface of the brass increases the available lead surface area which in turn affects the degree of leaching. In addition, cutting operations can smear the lead globules over the surface. These effects can lead to significant lead leaching from brasses of comparatively low lead content.^[13]

Silicon is an alternative to lead; however, when silicon is used in a brass alloy, the scrap must never be mixed with leaded brass scrap because of contamination and safety problems.^[14]

In October 1999 the California State Attorney General sued 13 key manufacturers and distributors over lead content. In laboratory tests, state researchers found the average brass key, new or old, exceeded the California Proposition 65 limits by an average factor of 19, assuming handling twice a day.^[15] In April 2001 manufacturers agreed to reduce lead content to 1.5%, or face a requirement to warn consumers about lead content. Keys plated with other metals are not affected by the settlement, and may continue to use high lead content alloys.^[16][17]

Also in California, lead-free materials must be used for "each component that comes into contact with the wetted surface of pipes and pipe fittings, plumbing fittings and fixtures." On January 1, 2010, the maximum amount of lead in "lead-free brass" in California was reduced an order of magnitude from 4% to 0.25% lead. The common practice of using pipes for electrical grounding is discouraged, as it accelerates lead corrosion.^[18][19]

[Quillback]

According to this article, if you're concerned about "potential" adverse effects to the environmet, you should not use tungsten either.

http://pubs.acs.org/cen/science/87/8703sci2.html

From the article:

The metal's toxicity is relatively low compared with, for example, mercury's or lead's, but "tungsten anions are never inert to living things," Tajima says. Chronic exposure to tungsten species by, for example, ingesting tainted water or foods, even at a very low concentration, is probably a more important issue than acute toxicity, he says.

[Ann]

That's it! Ban fishing! There is nothing we can use that is safe!

Come on, this is getting ridiculous. No matter what is suggested as an alternative, someone else will find something wrong with it.

This is a no win argument. Neither side will give in. So ENOUGH already.

[David Unnerstall]

Wow. I have definitely observed some mistrust and cynicism evolve into paranoia and hysteria, here. But I am with Chief Greybear in getting rid of all cats.

[Quillback]

Yep Ann you are right, to be true friends of the environment we should ban all fishing. And kill all cats

[Wayne SW/MO]

Yep Ann you are right, to be true friends of the environment we should ban all fishing. And kill all cats

But you obviously can't stop there, not if you put everything in perspective. Its a different story if you pick and choose according to how it effects you.

OB, for the umpteenth time, we all no lead is toxic if ingested or inhaled. Its not toxic to look at or handle with caution. We aren't talking about cyanide or radiation.

"The common practice of using pipes for electrical grounding is discouraged, as it accelerates lead corrosion"

More misinformation, not common and has been illegal for decades.