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[ColdWaterFshr]

I'll second what Gavin said. I could probably show you the exact hole where they were snagging. I've seen them there a few times, and its probably even the same folks. There is what, 8 miles of blue ribbon trout water on the upper current? Get over it dudes. That stretch is overly infested with rough fish anyway, so I wish them luck.

[stlfisher]

I am not concerend about the river being over run buy snaggers either, but it seems to me a lot of people just want to turn this into a let's bash the fly fisherman people. All anyone really said was if you are snagging in a crowded area do it a way that doesn't affect the other fisherman/floaters/swimmers on the water. I adopt that same philosphy with my style of fishing wherever I fish. I don't see how that is snobbery at all...more like common courtousy. Bashing the fly fisherman folk is the same as bashing the snaggers. You are guilty of what you are campaigning against.

[Flysmallie]

Bashing the fly fisherman folk is the same as bashing the snaggers. You are guilty of what you are campaigning against.

I can bash them if I want, I am one of them. I spend most of my time fly fishing. But if I come to a hole and there is someone else fishing it i will probably move on. If it's a big enough area I might even fish it. But just because I'm fishing a "superior" method I shouldn't expect everyone else THAT WAS THERE BEFORE ME to move on.

Remember this? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Well when I'm fishing I would rather have people leave me the hell alone, so that's what I do unto them.

[Greg]

Cricket I think this thread needs some more of your comedic humor!!

Greg

[stlfisher]

I can bash them if I want, I am one of them. I spend most of my time fly fishing. But if I come to a hole and there is someone else fishing it i will probably move on. If it's a big enough area I might even fish it. But just because I'm fishing a "superior" method I shouldn't expect everyone else THAT WAS THERE BEFORE ME to move on.

Remember this? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Well when I'm fishing I would rather have people leave me the hell alone, so that's what I do unto them.

You might want to re-read my post. You do realize that for the most part I agree with you right? Nowhere in this is thread did I challenge the right, legality, or method's of the snaggers. The only thing I mentioned was to practice common courtousy no matter what method you use. I never said anything about "superior". You just lumped me in with the crowd. It is your right to bash whoever you want, and is their right to defend themselves.

[FishinCricket]

Cricket I think this thread needs some more of your comedic humor!!

Greg

I'm fresh out, Greg! (besides, I've this thread has comedic sattire that hasn't even been noticed yet! Did you see post #12?)

However, I did think it was funny, when I read:

But sometimes one group of users, in the normal course of enjoying their sport, basically screws things up for everybody else,

I can't help but envision myself!!! ( standing next to a hole on the Niangua, fly rod in hand... I still require a good 20-40 feet of "safety distance" when casting.. If I wanted to "fish out my swing" I would need an entire section of river to myself! lol)

Hint to the general group: If (for any reason) you were under the impression I was calling you a snob (or your style of fishing as being prone to snobbery), keep in mind that it's prolly all in your head! Snobs come in all shapes and sizes, just ask FlySmallie!

[Chief Grey Bear]

I didn't say they were pathetic. I just said it's pathetic if you're having to physically herd the fish with rocks, in just the same way that it's pathetic for a fly fisherman on one of the tailwaters to resort to the San Juan Shuffle so they can catch trout right off their feet. If you have to resort to certain things in fishing, then I'd say it's better to get skunked. I want to make it abundantly clear that I did not call grabbers in general "pathetic." The fact that you said I did proves that you are willing to twist the words of others to make an argument.

Snagging actually sounds difficult, and even sporting in it's own right. But that changes if they are having to throw rocks to herd fish in order to make it easier.

You call drug dealers, drug dealers because they deal drugs. You call drunk drivers, drunk drivers cause they drive drunk. You are saying what a grabber does is pathetic, therefore calling them pathetic. It is the person that preforms the action you call pathetic. No spin.

You are correct, grabbing can be pretty tough. And a heck of a lot of fun. There are two reasons for throwing rocks. Which by the way they are not huge rocks as some seem to think. The rocks of choice are no bigger than a golf ball. But one reason for the rock is to see if there may be some suckers in the pool. It will spook them and then you can see them. They blend in very well with the bottom and it can be very difficult to locate them if they are not on the move. The other reason is if you see some making a run for it, one person can run a head of them, toss a rock and they will turn and head the other way towards those that are with you that have set up while you are sending them back.

And there is also quite a technique to the grabbing itself. You are not just radomly casting a treble hook and jerking. The most successful method it to have your hook, which is a single point hook that has been welded on what looks like an old fashioned bottle opener, which always keeps the hook in the upright possision and painted in a fluorescent color for quick and easy viewing, laying on the bottom and as the sucker comes over the hook, you then jerk it into the fish. One down and 19 more to go. You can your limit in less than 30 minutes. That is it in a nutshell.

[Gavin]

Chief is correct...its a sight game all the way..let your hook sit till a sucker swims over it....No excuse for hitting a game fish

Bass Pro sells Sucker Pluckers if you want to give it a go.

http://www.basspro.com/Bass-Pro-Shops®-Sucker-Hooks/product/80126/-1225916

[ozark trout fisher]

You call drug dealers, drug dealers because they deal drugs. You call drunk drivers, drunk drivers cause they drive drunk. You are saying what a grabber does is pathetic, therefore calling them pathetic. It is the person that preforms the action you call pathetic. No spin.

You are correct, grabbing can be pretty tough. And a heck of a lot of fun. There are two reasons for throwing rocks. Which by the way they are not huge rocks as some seem to think. The rocks of choice are no bigger than a golf ball. But one reason for the rock is to see if there may be some suckers in the pool. It will spook them and then you can see them. They blend in very well with the bottom and it can be very difficult to locate them if they are not on the move. The other reason is if you see some making a run for it, one person can run a head of them, toss a rock and they will turn and head the other way towards those that are with you that have set up while you are sending them back.

And there is also quite a technique to the grabbing itself. You are not just radomly casting a treble hook and jerking. The most successful method it to have your hook, which is a single point hook that has been welded on what looks like an old fashioned bottle opener, which always keeps the hook in the upright possision and painted in a fluorescent color for quick and easy viewing, laying on the bottom and as the sucker comes over the hook, you then jerk it into the fish. One down and 19 more to go. You can your limit in less than 30 minutes. That is it in a nutshell.

I just know I'm never going to fish in a way that requires me to throw rocks in order to scare fish- Personally I get a little more pleasure out of trying not to scare fish. Any fishing technique that requires you to throw rocks just seems like a deeply disruptive and disrespectful method, both to the river and the those who fish it.

If you can snag them without the help of throwing rocks, then you might have something.

[eric1978]

Who's proud of me for staying out of this one?