Camp Zoe Seized By The Feds

[bigjigjim]

Plus the state bid at a public auction. To see anything suspicious here, you must assume 1) someone from the state called their buddy in the FBI or US Attorney's office and asked them to file charges and ultimately effect a civil forefiture of property; 2) that the federal buddy had enough in it for him to charge when he otherwise wouldn't; and 3) that the public auction was somehow fixed for the State to get the property at less than fair market value.

Less than fmv? Nearly $3k an acre? Slow down turbo, Schwagstock stopped years ago, you didn't hear?

[ness]

May not be tracking with you, but FMV <> Auction Price. Haven't you ever watched Antiques Roadshow?

[Wayne SW/MO]

It's funny how everyone jumped on the bandwagon on this deal blaming law enforcement, the gubment, and whoever else for encroaching on some poor landowner's rights, and it ended in an insinuation that the penalty for owning something that the state wants is to get put in prison. I didn't read pages 2-8, but that's what I've gathered so far.

I think you hit it on the head hoglaw. Beyond the drug trafficking there is probably no way of knowing how many stoned drivers left there tearing up the back roads.

[fishinwrench]

I think you hit it on the head hoglaw. Beyond the drug trafficking there is probably no way of knowing how many stoned drivers left there tearing up the back roads.

Aw c'mon now. Stoned drivers don't "tear up the roads" They already know that whether the drive is 2 miles or 200 it is gonna take FOREVER to get there, so why hurry ?

[hoglaw]

Fair market value, to me, has always been what a willing buyer and seller will shake hands on. By definition, in the legal world at least, an auction always results in a fair market value sale even though the price may be lower than a listing through a realtor. Yeah, I hear you on the antiques roadshow/storage wars stuff, but a sale price based on a lack of information is always an outlier.

I'm not trying to be overly essoteric here. But there was an auction. It was, presumably, published. Everyone and their brother was welcome to attend. If someone thought the land was worth more than $3k an acre, then they would have paid more than $3k an acre. My point here wasn't to say that the land sold at top dollar, but that to suggest that the State had some ulterior motive in convincing the feds to prosecute and effect a forefiture was misguided - and not supported by the facts of how this played out. For all I know the land is worth 4 or 5k an acre. But 3k was apparently the highest bid.

I don't have a dog in the fight. Don't care about Camp Zoe - don't even know where it is. I just don't like willfully ignorant conspiracy theorists running around unchecked. It's their fault that I can't find .22 ammo at a decent price. The world would be a lot better if everyone would just slow down and think for a minute.

[fishinwrench]

The world would be a lot better if everyone would just slow down and think for a minute.

The dog that stops to wonder "why" will never catch a rabbit.

[hoglaw]

The dog that stops to wonder "why" will never catch a rabbit.

Or maybe he'll think why the rabbit runs the way he does, where he runs from, where he's running to, and where his family is - and pick a better spot to let the rabbit come to him. Or something like that.

[fishinwrench]

Or he could decide that he's eaten enough rabbits already, come to the conclusion that rabbits really aren't that big of a threat to his cause, and stop spreading the word that all rabbits need to be eradicated immediately upon sight.

Maybe....just MAYBE there are too many dogs and not enough rabbits. Besides, there are other things to eat besides rabbit all the time.

I for one appreciated the dogs more when they ate mostly doughnuts, and would come (tail a'waggin) when they were called. Instead of running around in packs looking for $#!t to eat all the time.

[ness]

Fair market value, to me, has always been what a willing buyer and seller will shake hands on. By definition, in the legal world at least, an auction always results in a fair market value sale even though the price may be lower than a listing through a realtor. Yeah, I hear you on the antiques roadshow/storage wars stuff, but a sale price based on a lack of information is always an outlier.

Yeah, I hear you -- just poking the guy.