Al Agnew Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Looks like my post was one that was deleted, conservative landowner speaks, then gets deleted. Oh well, going to the Sheriff with an internet post list that starts off with a statement from the Blue Collar Comedy Tour will probably not hold much water. Jd, I don't know what stream you own land on...have gotten the impression in the past that it was not on a floatable stream, or at least not on a stream that is heavily floated, in which case your situation is a little different from that on Shoal Creek or any of the other floatable streams in MO. But, if it is on a floatable stream...I'm a river landowner as well, owning land on two different floatable streams, one of which I now live on part time. And I can tell you that when I bought those places, I did so with full knowledge that there would be people using my gravel bar and rocks, and that although they would sometimes be a real pain, they had the right to do so as long as they didn't damage my property. Like it or not, that is the way the law works, and it has been that way for well over 100 years, since long before the MO Supreme Court affirmed the public's rights. That is slowly beginning to change as new people buy up riverfront land and refuse to recognize those public rights, and as long as the county officials let them get away with running people off gravel bars, the respectful and law-abiding sportsman loses. As Hank, I believe it was, said in another post, there's a good chance that in the current political climate we could lose rights if this was ever definitively settled by the legislature (or even the courts), but that would open up such a can of worms that everybody would lose. If the right of a single landowner to run people off gravel bars was ever affirmed, it would basically mean the end of the canoe rental and river recreation business in Missouri. To be a river landowner, you'd better be willing to put up with the occasional aggravation caused by the substantial minority of pinheads and idiots. It's simply one of the costs that offset the benefits of owning a piece of land on a river. I'll call the law if necessary to combat a group of idiots littering and doing other things that ARE illegal. But as long as they are using my gravel bar in a lawful manner, I have to let them keep doing it. Having said all that, as a floater, if a landowner comes down and asks me to leave a gravel bar where I've set up camp for the night, I might consider doing so IF the landowner explained that his family was wanting to camp on their gravel bar. As a practical matter, I don't camp on bars that have roads coming down to them or permanent structures nearby so that it looks like they are often used by the landowner. But I'd have a hard time putting up with somebody coming down to me after I've set up camp and telling me I had to leave simply because it was their gravel bar.
ness Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 He was out when I called, so I left him a voice mail. I told him who I was, left my phone number and said I just wanted to state an opinion -- which was that it's important for floaters to be able to do what's allowed by law without trouble from landowners. I suggested the landowner in question be informed of the law, and left it at that. John
ColdWaterFshr Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Anyone hear from Chief today? Wonder how the meeting with the Sheriff went.
duckydoty Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Anyone hear from Chief today? Wonder how the meeting with the Sheriff went. Yep. It spears that our petition pulled off the internet that started off like a statement from Larry The Cable Guy did hold some water. That, along with some phone calls from concerned angler and floaters, as I hear, has proved to provide a positive outcome to the meeting. Hopefully Chief will fill us in completely A Little Rain Won't Hurt Them Fish.....They're Already Wet!! Visit my website at.. Ozark Trout Runners
ColdWaterFshr Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Good! I really and truly hoped it worked. If I were this sheriff though .. . would've been mighty difficult to suppress a chuckle as I read over that there internet-derived petition from ya'll. And Chief showing up at the station to turn himself in. This is some good drama anyways. In any event, we should organize a mass float through this Prater guys property and have a weiny roast on his gravel bar.
snagged in outlet 3 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 I'm in. But only Kosher dogs for me. Where the hell is this place anyway? SIO3
flytyer57 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 I'm in. But only Kosher dogs for me. Where the hell is this place anyway? SIO3 Wrong way there Pete. It's more like a little piece of heaven than hell. And I'm in for that float to Praterland and the beerfest. I'll take the front seat of Pete's canoe for the float. There's a fine line between fishing and sitting there looking stupid.
snagged in outlet 3 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Cool FT!! I'm glad you called the front, I didn't want to drive anyway. Pete
flytyer57 Posted April 21, 2011 Posted April 21, 2011 Cool FT!! I'm glad you called the front, I didn't want to drive anyway. Pete Drive where? You don't think I'm gonna drive all the way up by you and then down to Neosho do you? There's a fine line between fishing and sitting there looking stupid.
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now