fishinwrench Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 And yet ANOTHER CCW grad accident..... in church, yesterday. http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=15571614 Seems the best part about having a CCW permit is.....you can shoot someone, and say "Ooops!"....and No charges get brought against you. It's like immunity.
jdmidwest Posted February 13, 2012 Author Posted February 13, 2012 So the practical is to get them accustomed to shooting, not specifically to keep your bullets within a circle of such size, at such distance, before being able to pass, or do they have to have certain results before they can keep going on to the final sections of the CCW. Also is that 150+ rounds a piece, or total for both types of guns. The qualifying rounds must land in the center of the target and not out of the 9 ring. 150 total, split between both firearms, 20 each are fired to score, the remainder is practice rounds. Most instructors will end up making you fire more rounds if the practice does not improve. Most instructors suggest minimum 200 rounds brought to the class. "Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously." — Hunter S. Thompson
Flyflinger Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Here is my last rebuttal to the whole discussion: There seems to be (among the ones on the other side of the debate) this general feeling that if you carry you are paranoid. Because chances are you will never use it and if you did use your gun it could only make the situation worse. This feeling is what it is...a feeling or gut reaction. Studies have shown that people who carry/own prevent about 2.5 million crimes annually in the US alone. Primarily without firing a single round. Here is my story of how I watched this happen in person. My family and i were stuck in traffic (44) one summer day about 5-6 years ago...I mean deadlock...we were moving along at about 5 miles an hour...with many stop and goes. About 30 meters ahead of us on the right there were two cars on the shoulder that must have had a fender-bender. There were also 2 men standing by each of there cars...one of the men was clearly irate...cursing and flailing his arms..pointing at the man who must have rear ended him. They other man, judging from his body language, was trying his best to defuse the situation. Giving they guy the calm down, double hands in the air kinda thing.... Next thing that I see...the man that was being belligerent went to his trunk and pulled out a tire iron...(I am guessing he wasn't planning on changing his tire) and advanced upon the other guy....at which time the other guy pulled his pistol and pointed it at the man with the tire iron....the guy retreated and returned the tire iron to the trunk....situation muted. Now...i for one thank god that man had his pistol with him that day...because I wasn't about to let him get beat down with a tire iron and would have lent him a hand...placing myself in grave danger (i wasn't CCW at the time). I am sure this man that was caring didn't "think" that he would need to pull his pistol that day...he did't even think he would be in an accident...and he certainly didn't think that he would have to deal with a guy wielding a tire iron. There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit
Mitch f Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 The concealed carry guy had a cool head, I hope they all are like him. I wonder what would have happened if the mad guy went back to his car and pulled out a gun? Wild West show I guess. I'm trying to think if I was in that situation what I would've done. I supposed if I was by myself I could've just ran; but if I had my wife and kids in the car I probably would've done exactly what the second guy did, pull out the gun. I thought those CC guys were taught never to pull out the gun unless they plan on using lethal force? Never took the course so I don't know. "Honor is a man's gift to himself" Rob Roy McGregor
fishinwrench Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Lets pretend that the guy with the tire iron was after the other guy for a real reason....let's pretend that it was for crotching his wife.... is it still ok to draw a bead on him? All you know is what appeared to be the situation from looking out your windshield. So, nobody with a CCW permit ever need to worry about getting his @$$ kicked ? Naa I can't go along with that business, not cool.
Flyflinger Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Lets pretend that the guy with the tire iron was after the other guy for a real reason....let's pretend that it was for crotching his wife.... is it still ok to draw a bead on him? All you know is what appeared to be the situation from looking out your windshield. So, nobody with a CCW permit ever need to worry about getting his @$$ kicked ? Naa I can't go along with that business, not cool. Yes...lets pretend....you have been doing a lot of that. What "real" reason would it be ok to take a tire iron out and plan on using it on another human? The only one I can think of is self-defense. Yes...maybe the guy could have ran...I don't remember looking into his car. Then again...maybe the other guy is much faster ten he...perhaps he had a bad knee. Hmmm...CCW people don't have to worry about get their @#$ kicked? Tire iron does not equal @#$ kicked...tire iron equals severe and grave threat. So...no..in this case CCW would not have to worry about getting their skulls split on the side of the highway by someone that lost their cool. I shared this story with the intent on showing how CCW can and does work. However...continue to "what if" the situation to death...what if the other guy had a gun...what if the CCW flipped the bird....what if... what if...what if.... If you keep on doing this you are bound to find plenty of things to back up your illogical argument. There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit
Haris122 Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 The qualifying rounds must land in the center of the target and not out of the 9 ring. 150 total, split between both firearms, 20 each are fired to score, the remainder is practice rounds. Most instructors will end up making you fire more rounds if the practice does not improve. Most instructors suggest minimum 200 rounds brought to the class. Sorry to keep veering things off from the bigger conversation, but I couldn't find the specifics during searches, so would you happen to know the distance they have to keep it in the 9 ring and what size this 9 ring is (is it a 9 ring along the size of the one in the bullseyes at the conservation department paper targets or.....). I don't know why, but I keep wondering if I could pass this CCW practical now.
fishinwrench Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 FF, Sorry about all the irritating "what ifs", but "what if" is the basis of the whole CCW issue in a nutshell, isn't it? I am proud to announce that I think I have said everything I am compelled to say about this....finally. I learned a few things during this discussion and enjoyed the rebuttal.
Flyflinger Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 FF, Sorry about all the irritating "what ifs", but "what if" is the basis of the whole CCW issue in a nutshell, isn't it? I am proud to announce that I think I have said everything I am compelled to say about this....finally. I learned a few things during this discussion and enjoyed the rebuttal. Thanks FW...I have also enjoyed the debate...Cheers. There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit
jdmidwest Posted February 14, 2012 Author Posted February 14, 2012 The target is 7 yards. Actual course material varies per instructor. http://www.carryconcealed.net/ "Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously." — Hunter S. Thompson
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