What Should We Do About Mass Shootings?

[jdmidwest]

Ok, here we go. No politics, party lines should not matter here. We are all outdoor sportsmen, and we all care about the outcome of what is about to happen. Seems like they politicians have made up their mind already. Whether you realize it or not, the decisions coming soon will affect all of us in some way or another.

What can we really do to solve the problem?

I suggest

1- Stronger background checks and improving on the methods we have in place. Make sure mental illness gets reported immediately. Better a false negative than a missed decline on a background check.

2- Protect our state funded schools like we do other key state facilities. Metal detectors, limited access with control, armed security. It is our state funded education system's responsibility to protect our kids when we as parents can't.

3- Enforce laws that are in place, don't try to create new kneejerk laws. In all shooting cases, individuals broke existing laws before they started shooting. It did not stop the final outcome.

4- Continue education and training of the public in the use of firearms and safety much like the Hunter's Education Programs and the CCW Certification program.

5- Continue on the path to ensure that everyone realizes that they alone are responsible for their and their families personal security and actions immediately, police secondary. Personal CCW has lowered the crime rates. Personal gun ownership leads to better security and lower crime rates.

[gotmuddy]

Ok, here we go. No politics, party lines should not matter here. We are all outdoor sportsmen, and we all care about the outcome of what is about to happen. Seems like they politicians have made up their mind already. Whether you realize it or not, the decisions coming soon will affect all of us in some way or another.

What can we really do to solve the problem?

I suggest

2- Protect our state funded schools like we do other key state facilities. Metal detectors, limited access with control, armed security. It is our state funded education system's responsibility to protect our kids when we as parents can't.

3- Enforce laws that are in place, don't try to create new kneejerk laws. In all shooting cases, individuals broke existing laws before they started shooting. It did not stop the final outcome.

4- Continue education and training of the public in the use of firearms and safety much like the Hunter's Education Programs and the CCW Certification program.

I agree with those statements, especially 2. How many school shootings have taken place in schools with metal detectors?

I do not agree with 1 because it puts more power in the hands of beaucrats. 5I agree with but the government will never say that the individual is responsible for safety. They will only say that THEY can keep you safe.

[fishinwrench]

How much stronger background checks? Can you draft an example of the ideal background check ?

Report mental illness to whom?

[ozarkgunner]

Use both hands ..... My idea for gun control.

[jdmidwest]

Using the existing system for the call in back ground checks, there is nothing wrong with that. The problem lies in the time it takes for the system to get updated with mental issues. Criminal reports get to them pretty quick. Mental issues take longer or don't get reported at all and they can get issued .

Maybe even go a step further, if you have severe mental issues, surrender your firearms until you have finished treatment.

Mental issues would get noted in the database just like crimes, dwi, domestic dispute, restraining orders, and other issues that would stop a dealer from selling a gun to a person. The background check is the only thing licensed dealers have to check buyers with.

There are questions on the form when you purchase a gun that refer to mental illness and drug use, but a buyer can simply lie on the application and a dealer can't really dispute it unless he is visibly drunk or on drugs.

[jdmidwest]

Use both hands ..... My idea for gun control.

Notice that any of my ideas required any stricter gun control. They don't. Stricter gun laws will do absolutely nothing to solve the problem.

[Chief Grey Bear]

Notice that any of my ideas required any stricter gun control. They don't. Stricter gun laws will do absolutely nothing to solve the problem.

And niether will your ideas.

1. And just how would this have stopped any of the mass shootings?

2. For a citizen that hates taxes, maybe you can get your NRA to fund it. Don't know how metal dectectors would have stopped the last one.

3. And just what laws were going to enforce to stop the shootings? If this were the case, we wouldn't need prisions, would we?

4. Are you going to force evereyone to take the course? How does this stop shootings?

5. It has?

[Justin Spencer]

1- Stronger background checks and improving on the methods we have in place. Make sure mental illness gets reported immediately. Better a false negative than a missed decline on a background check.

2- Protect our state funded schools like we do other key state facilities. Metal detectors, limited access with control, armed security. It is our state funded education system's responsibility to protect our kids when we as parents can't.

3- Enforce laws that are in place, don't try to create new kneejerk laws. In all shooting cases, individuals broke existing laws before they started shooting. It did not stop the final outcome.

4- Continue education and training of the public in the use of firearms and safety much like the Hunter's Education Programs and the CCW Certification program.

5- Continue on the path to ensure that everyone realizes that they alone are responsible for their and their families personal security and actions immediately, police secondary. Personal CCW has lowered the crime rates. Personal gun ownership leads to better security and lower crime rates.

Number one good.

Number 2, we would have to increase funding (higher taxes) or cut other programs within the schools to do this (sorry no more band, or football). I personally feel comfortable about my kids safety at school and think this would be a knee jerk reaction way more than gun control would be.

Number 3, simple fact is we need some new gun laws if nothing else to start to change the attitude of future generations, baby steps.

Number 4, agree but many gun owners will object if they have to go to a class every couple years just because they own a gun. I think if we required this for every gun owner say every 3 years where a mental evaluation could also be performed this would be good, but this would be harder to pass than some gun control measures in my opinion.

Number 5, is a sneaky way of saying more people owning guns = less violence, afraid I can't agree with that.

It's good for people to put opinions out there, whether you agree or not, I think we can all agree that this country, for whatever reason, is a much more violent country than most in the entire world and this needs to change.

[ness]

Oh goody.

[Wayne SW/MO]

First off assault weapons are not the common denominator, but mental illness is. It seems to me that would be the area that needs some serious scrutiny.

I would propose that some laws be passed that addresses this first. psychiatrist need to be relieved of their confidential information protection when they deem someone a threat to themselves or others. I think at that point the individual should examined independently and if they concur the court should step in and find a solution. The solution could be confinement or simply keeping the residence secure from harmful items. We have no mental health facilities today, at least not for patients who haven't committed a crime.

The only change I would make to gun control, might be a license to buy with photo ID, or a check on a drivers license. A person would go through a background check and a check of his or her surroundings. If you had someone unstable in your house, no permit. If you have young kids you would have to have a gun safe that locked. I would probably put on the back that if you buy for someone else or sell to someone who doesn't have a permit, you do a minimum amount of time.

There would be fake permits, but it would be unlikely that that very many mental cases would get them. There will always be a certain number of criminals who will get guns, but at least they aren't mass murderers as a rule.

I think we need to treat gang members as an enemy militia force. If they identify, they leave themselves open to prosecution as accessories whether they were at the scene or not..