Feathers and Fins Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 This was on another site but I have to say its one of the best articles ive read on the subject. The Truth About Assault Weapons To navigate, use the right arrow key on your keyboard, or swipe your touchscreen This is an AR-15 rifle. It is the most popular rifle sold in the United States today. Millions have been purchased by American citizens since 1963. The AR-15 is the most common example of what are sometimes called assault weapons. But what does this term actually mean? First, it is important to understand what an assault weapon isn't. The terms "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" are often confused. According to Bruce H. Kobayashi and Joseph E. Olson, writing in the Stanford Law and Policy Review: Prior to 1989, the term "assault weapon" did not exist in the lexicon of firearms. It is a political term, developed by anti-gun publicists to expand the category of "assault rifles"... If an assault weapon isn't an assault rifle, what is an assault rifle? This is a M-16 rifle. It is the standard service rifle of the U.S. military. It is also an assault rifle. The M-16 is fully automatic. This means it fires multiple rounds each time the trigger is pulled. The M-16 can fire about 800 rounds per minute. The M-16 and other fully automatic firearms are also called machine guns. In 1986, the Federal government banned civilians from purchasing newly manufactured machine guns. Like the majority of firearms sold in the United States, the AR-15 is semi-automatic. This means it fires one round each time the trigger is pulled. The AR-15 can fire between 45 and 60 rounds per minute depending on the skill of the operator. This rate of fire is comparable to other semi-automatic firearms, but pales in comparison to fully automatic weapons, some of which can fire in excess of 1,000 rounds per minute. So-called assault weapons are not machine guns or assault rifles. According to David Kopel, writing in The Wall Street Journal: What some people call "assault weapons" function like every other normal firearm—they fire only one bullet each time the trigger is pressed. Unlike automatics (machine guns), they do not fire continuously as long as the trigger is held. They are "semi-automatic" because they eject the empty shell case and load the next round into the firing chamber. Today in America, most handguns are semi-automatics, as are many long guns, including the best-selling rifle today, the AR-15... Some of these guns look like machine guns, but they do not function like machine guns. The truth about assault weapons is that they function just like this ranch rifle... ...and this shotgun... ...and this pistol... ...and this double-action revolver. All of these guns fire one round each time the trigger is pulled. But if that's true, what makes this semi-automatic rifle a ranch gun... ...and this semi-automatic rifle an assault weapon? The answer is deception. In the year the term "assault weapon" was invented, Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center, an anti-gun lobby, explained its purpose: [H]andgun restriction is simply not viewed as a priority. Assault weapons...are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. Beginning in 1988, 25 years after the AR-15 was first sold to the American public, the anti-gun lobby began a systematic campaign of categorizing it and other "military-style" firearms as assault weapons. The media followed suit, and soon the American public began to think that an assault weapon was, like the assault rifles it resembled, a machine gun. This strategy came to fruition in 1993, when the Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) was introduced in Congress. The AWB would ban the manufacture and sale of new assault weapons to American citizens. But in order to ban assault weapons, politicians first had to define them. Because assault rifles were already banned, and because a blanket ban on semi-automatic weapons wasn't considered politically feasible, the AWB would define assault weapons as semi-automatic firearms that shared too many cosmetic features with their fully automatic counterparts. These banned features included certain combinations of collapsible stocks... ...flash hiders... ...and pistol grips... ...despite the fact that none of these "military-style" features enhanced the weapon's lethality. According to the Department of Justice, the firearms that the AWB would ban were used in only 2% of all gun crimes. Nevertheless, the AWB's passage was aided by the fact that many Americans thought they were banning machine guns and "weapons of war", something that had, in fact, already been banned. The AWB also arbitrarily banned magazines having a capacity higher than ten rounds. This limitation on magazine capacity applied to all firearms, not just so-called assault weapons. In order to secure enough votes to pass the bill, a "sunset" provision was added. After ten years, the ban would expire. On September 13, 1994, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban went into effect. A Washington Post editorial was unusually candid about its real purpose: No one should have any illusions about what was accomplished [by the ban]. Assault weapons play a part in only a small percentage of crime. The provision is mainly symbolic; its virtue will be if it turns out to be, as hoped, a stepping stone to broader gun control. As soon as the AWB became law, manufacturers began retooling in order to produce firearms and magazines that were compliant with the new gun regulations. One of those new, ban-compliant firearms was the Hi-Point 995 carbine, which was sold with ten-round magazines. In 1999, five years into the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, the Columbine High School massacre occurred. One of the perpetrators, Eric Harris, was armed with a Hi-Point 995. Undeterred by the ten-round capacity of his magazines, Harris simply brought more of them: thirteen magazines were found in the aftermath. Harris fired at least 98 rounds before killing himself. In 2004, the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expired. It was not renewed. The AWB had failed to have an impact on gun crime in the United States. A 2004 Department of Justice study concluded: Should it be renewed, the ban's effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. [Assault weapons] were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban. Regarding so-called large capacity magazines, the study said:t is not clear how often the outcomes of gun attacks depend on the ability of offenders to fire more than ten shots (the current magazine capacity limit) without reloading. Furthermore, legislators had seriously misjudged the popularity of so-called assault weapons. The political cost was enormous. In his memoir, Bill Clinton wrote that Democrats lost control of Congress in the 1994 midterm elections because of the AWB. Other Democrats have stated that the AWB may have cost Al Gore the 2000 presidential election. At Virginia Tech in 2007, Seung-Hui Cho once again showed the futility of regulating magazine capacity when he carried nineteen ten- and fifteen-round magazines in his backpack as part of a carefully planned massacre. Cho used seventeen of the magazines and fired approximately 170 rounds—or ten rounds per magazine—from two handguns before killing himself. Like Eric Harris before him, Cho demonstrated that a magazine's capacity was incidental to the amount of death and injury an unopposed murderer could cause in a "gun-free zone". Although the Virginia Tech massacre was and remains the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history, calls for new gun control were relatively scarce in its aftermath, possibly because so-called assault weapons were not used, undermining the favored narrative of gun prohibitionists. But after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, the anti-gun lobby and their allies in the media once again vilified the AR-15 and other so-called assault weapons as "weapons of war" and "machine guns" whose only purpose was to murder and maim. In reality, so-called assault weapons are a popular choice among hunters and competitors alike. At the 2012 National Trophy Rifle Matches, all of the 1,300+ competitors used a semi-automatic rifle that the anti-gun lobby calls an assault weapon. Based on an estimate by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, at least 3.3 million AR-15 rifles were sold in the United States between 1986 and 2009. While gun prohibitionists portray the AR-15 as a paramilitary weapon owned only by a lunatic fringe, this so-called assault weapon is a modern musket—the default rifle with which law-abiding Americans exercise their right to keep and bear arms. The AR-15 is particularly favored for its modularity, accuracy, light weight, and low recoil—attributes that make it ideal not only for shooting sports but also armed self-defense. As such, it is the epitome of what America's founders sought to protect when they wrote the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. But despite (and perhaps because of) its status as America's most popular rifle, some legislators are calling for another ban on the AR-15 and other so-called assault weapons. On December 17, 2012, Senator Dianne Feinstein, the author of the original failed AWB, announced her intention to introduce an updated Federal Assault Weapons Ban in Congress. However, Senator Feinstein's own facts do not support her agenda. The truth about assault weapons is that they are statistically underrepresented in gun crimes. According to Senator Feinstein, so-called assault weapons have been used in 385 murders since the AWB expired in 2004, or about 48 murders per year. But there were 8,583 total murders with guns in the United States in 2011, meaning so-called assault weapons were used 0.6% of the time. This represents a decrease in murders from so-called assault weapons compared to the decade when the AWB was in effect, even though such weapons are more common today. Further illustrating the small role so-called assault weapons play in crime, FBI data shows that 323 murders were committed with rifles of any kind in 2011. In comparison, 496 murders were commited with hammers and clubs, and 1,694 murders were perpetrated with knives. To the extent that so-called assault weapons like the AR-15 are used in gun crimes, the rifle's popularity must be considered. In addition to the AR-15, James Holmes used America's best-selling shotgun at the Aurora movie theater shooting. At the Virginia Tech and Tuscon shootings, Seung-Hui Cho and Jared Loughner used America's best-selling handgun. All else being equal, a gun that is commonly owned is more likely to be used for legal or illegal purposes than a gun that is rarely owned. Outlawing guns that are popular today will only make different guns popular tomorrow. Nevertheless, gun prohibitionists continue to target AR-15 rifles and their owners—not because these firearms have any inordinate capability, but because the anti-gun lobby has invested more than two decades convincing the American people that "weapons of war" must be banned, regardless of whether such a ban would have a measurable impact on public safety, and despite the fact that real weapons of war have already been banned for nearly three decades. The truth about assault weapons is that there is no such thing. There are semi-automatic weapons, which are the firearms of choice for millions of law-abiding Americans. To ban all semi-automatic firearms is to deprive Americans of the most commonly used arms in violation of the Second Amendment. To ban specific semi-automatic firearms because of their cosmetic features is ignorant. Like prohibition, the United States has gone down this road before. It didn't work then, and it won't work now. A ban on so-called assault weapons is the first step toward a ban on all semi-automatic firearms. Contact your legislators, and tell them the truth about assault weapons. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beaver-Lake-Arkansas-Fishing-Report/745541178798856
Justin Spencer Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 I really don't think we need to worry about an "assault weapons" ban with this congress. I think it is the combination of semi-automatic and large clips that make people think of it as an assault rifle. This round of gun control legislation will involve background checks, gun show loophole, and other elements of buying and selling firearms. Maybe I'm naive, but I have no fear that we will ever even have a small number of politicians backing a ban on semi-automatic shotguns, and even handguns seem to be off limits at this time (which somewhat surprises me). Looks like some states are taking it into their own hands, which is where we want most of the power anyway, right? "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop
Daryk Campbell Sr Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 LIKE***** Money is just ink and paper, worthless until it switches hands, and worthless again until the next transaction. (me) I am the master of my unspoken words, and the slave to those that should have remained unsaid. (unknown)
Feathers and Fins Posted January 16, 2013 Author Posted January 16, 2013 Justin currently I know Wyoming, Missouri, Texas and Indiana have bills introduced to protect even high cap mags and assault rifles and im betting more states follow suit this week and next. Especially if we see Obama do a Executive Order ( that will certainly get an instant injunction placed on it on constitutionality reasons ) But the article really IMO was very well written and explained the "Assault Weapon". A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State This would tell me that gun control is in fact a matter for the STATES and that the Federal Governments job is actually to enforce the second part of the second amendment which is the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Therefore any infringement on that right should be decided by the second part of the amendment. And that is clearly put that NO Infringement is to be made. If you read the deffinition of infringement it is clear ; encroach on somebody's rights or property: to take over land, rights, privileges, or activities that belong to somebody else, especially in a minor or gradual way To understand the word STATE it was not referring to the United States as a whole but each State as explained in the Federalist papers and each states individual constitution at the signing of the Constitution. So IMO an arguement could be made to the SCOTUS on this and probably hold enough water to get a majority to side with States rights of governing authority to overturn any executive order, but furthermor if enough States do inact laws protecting them from the federal goverment it is not out of the questions to see the States actually create a constitutional amendment strengthening the 2nd amendment. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beaver-Lake-Arkansas-Fishing-Report/745541178798856
Justin Spencer Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 Obama is not dumb enough to try and pass an executive order banning assault rifles and high capacity magazines, he will let congress deal with that. The constitution was purposely constructed with a lot of wiggle room for future courts to decide the meaning of. To some, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed means that you can't infringe the right to have any kind of arms, this is already being infringed with fully automatic rifles being difficult for the general public to obtain (this is infringement by the definition you have given). To others this statement is vague and as long as some arms are allowed to be kept then that right is not being infringed upon, after all when this amendment was passed we only had single shot black powder weapons (that is why the constitution was purposefully vague). I don't necessarily think we should ban AR 15 and similar weapons, but am for sure willing to limit magazine sizes to 10 or less (nothing in constitution about that). "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop
Feathers and Fins Posted January 16, 2013 Author Posted January 16, 2013 Um Justin he just did. http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/politics/gun-violence-reduction-executive-actions/244/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beaver-Lake-Arkansas-Fishing-Report/745541178798856
ColdWaterFshr Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 I'm all for it. Won't have any affect on how you do your duck or deer hunting. This country has far too many handguns and assault-style weapons in the hands of far too many irresponsible folks. It comes down to . . . do you think the country is better of with MORE guns, or FEWER guns??? We lead the world, by a HUGE margin, in per capita gun ownership and gun violence and murders.
Wayne SW/MO Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 I still think they should be responsible enough to address the common denominator of the recent attacks, mental illness. Common sense, and it should because none will be up for reelection for at least 2 years, should tell them that given the fact the so called assault weapons were only used in two of the attacks, but that all the assassins were under a psychiatrist care, or so it has been reported, that is where the attention should be. Unfortunately they just follow the media lead that has people looking past the real cause and effect. Today's release is tomorrows gift to another fisherman.
Justin Spencer Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 They haven't even announced what the executive orders were. In case you are unaware of what an executive order is here is the definition: a rule or order that is issued by the executive branch of the government and has the status of a law. If the bans, and loophole closures etc. were included in his executive orders he wouldn't have urged congress to work to pass these laws if he had already done it, and as of right now these things would be illegal. People can't over react to proposals the President makes, he knows more about the constitution than any of us could pretent to, so he will make sure the proper channels are followed to pass legislation. Don't worry F&F they aren't going to take your guns. "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop
Quillback Posted January 16, 2013 Posted January 16, 2013 Looks like the assualt rifle issue and magazine capacity are being dumped in the lap of Congress. Also Obama is proposing that to purchase ANY firearm that there's a background check. It's ridiculous to impose this process on someone purchasing a shotgun or hunting rifle.
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