Assault Weapons

[BilletHead]

We sometimes are our own worse enemy. Heard on the news there 400,000 tobacco related deaths in the United States EVERY YEAR. Heart Disease and Cancer. I vote to control this instead of guns. Can I please have an Amen?

BilletHead

[Quillback]

Even full auto assault rifles aren't supposed to be shot full auto for prolonged amount of time. That's the job of squad machine guns, which if I understand right, the BAR was used as, and probably could handle about as much continuous rapid fire as the average assault rifle at least. There is footage of people shooting AK's or M16's full auto or rapid semi auto and after several magazines the handguards and stuff literally catch on fire. Assault rifle rapid fire is meant to make it safer to close the distance while assaulting. Not to continue firing it full automatic endlessly. Actually most newer models of assault weapons don't even have the full auto capability anymore. They something like 3 round burst, after which you got to pull the trigger again. I'll give you that primarily these things were initially made to "hunt" people within 300 yard conditions instead of anything else, but that doesn't make them solely useful for just that.

I've cycled multiple 20 round mags through an M-16 on full auto. BRRRZZZIIIP, drop the mag, insert another, BRRRRZZZIP, repeat. Nothing caught on fire, no malfunctions, no jams, everything just keeps on working. This was when I was employed by Uncle Sam, and the ammo was free. Load tracers, fire them at night and it's like a lazer beam, very cool. The only concern with going full auto with an M-16 is that you'll rapidly burn up all your ammo. A guy can only carry so much..

[Feathers and Fins]

Now Now Quill, havent you heard the words no redneck should ever say?

IM OUT OF AMMO.

[Haris122]

I've cycled multiple 20 round mags through an M-16 on full auto. BRRRZZZIIIP, drop the mag, insert another, BRRRRZZZIP, repeat. Nothing caught on fire, no malfunctions, no jams, everything just keeps on working. This was when I was employed by Uncle Sam, and the ammo was free. Load tracers, fire them at night and it's like a lazer beam, very cool. The only concern with going full auto with an M-16 is that you'll rapidly burn up all your ammo. A guy can only carry so much..

Quill, I dung you not. Here's 1 with M16 type.

And here's one with AK type.

And this is one of someone who most definitely shouldn't be allowed to own anything that requires an ounce of responsibility, much less an AK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRog34CZTwo

I don't know why the last link isn't embedded but paste it and check it out anyways, if you want some giggles/ or a feeling of despair.

[Feathers and Fins]

Massive gas tube failure in the AR Video, a free floating hand grip made out of something like steel wouldnt have caught fire, also noticed the cook-offs the guns not made to go MACHINE GUN, even the MG had to have barrel changes and they were only aloud 250 round max burst. The video was rumored when it came out to be a super stress test by Colt with sub-par parts that had been stressed already. So there is no way to know for sure what happened or was behind the testing or how many rounds were already fired through the gun or what stress had already been applied. Also Much speculation as to editing of the video. I sure know i wouldnt cook off over 800 rounds in any of my guns that fast it damages the barrel and most people know that.

The AK was on fire at the start of the video, Not suprised to see and AK's wood hand grip catch fire though.

The last video the guy is a dumbass but i see people driving and doing stunts with cars and motorcycles i can say the same thing about. Tater said it best " You cant fix stupid"

[Haris122]

Yeah I couldn't find the entire one for the AK, but I did see it when it started out before it caught fire. Just wouldn't let me find that entire video. As to the AR and AK altogether, that's entirely the point I'm trying to make. They're not meant to be used for continuous automatic fire, as I was mentioning to fishingwrench. And even though that's a lot of rounds still down the pipe before they started burning, it doesn't take a burning handguard for the gun to be too hot to hold to continue firing it, when you don't have a vice or rest like the one in the AR video.

[Haris122]

The last video the guy is a dumbass but i see people driving and doing stunts with cars and motorcycles i can say the same thing about. Tater said it best " You cant fix stupid"

Too true. However, it rattles more nerves when it's a gun they're doing this with, and I can see the reason why. At least when they do this crap with cars and motorcycles, something resembling reason in it's infancy occasionally runs through their mind, because it occurs to them, they're actually at risk themselves. Not so much in that instance seeing how it's just someone in the apartment over that has to worry about the most lifethreatening consequences of them being an idiot.

[Feathers and Fins]

Harris one of my favorite movie lines comes from jaws.

You yell 'Barracuda,' everybody says 'Huh? What?' You yell 'Shark,' we've got a panic on our hands

You yell dunk everyone turns to see what the idiot I is doing, You yell gun everyone runs like hell. Yet both are equally as deadly, think about how many people have watched that drunk at a bar or party and then read the next day he killed a family driving home, to me the more dangerous one is the drunk and all those who could have stopped him.

If you take sucide and criminal activities out of the gun arguement which technically are both criminal, how dangerous are gun owners? it comes right back to the one arguement politicians dont want to talk about even this go around which is criminals.

[Wayne SW/MO]

When the AF picked up the AR in the early '60's they were full auto select, but it didn't take long to see the fault in that. I suspect too many found themselves out of ammo in a Nam jungle.

[Haris122]

I agree F&F, there is a clear bias to this, but I think it stems from the idea that no one intentionally hits another car while being a drunk driver. Unfortunately in most of those cases the drunk is relaxed enough to come out in a lot better shape than anyone in the other car, but still the mindset is that he didn't intentionally do this, because it's a clear risk to his own life if nothing else. Someone shooting a gun during the course of a crime, won't have people seeing things that way.