Federal Hatcheries Closing?

[Feathers and Fins]

Al, the United States does not have any "Balanced Budget Requirement or Law for the Fed"! Until there is a Constitutional requirement for that it will not happen. All the talk about government shut-down is a smoke and mirror game for politicians trying to gain money for PORK!

That being said we cannot nor should not cut military spending as it "IS" a requirement by law of our Constitution that the Government provide " for the common defense" If people would actually read the Constitution they would see what is mandated to be "Provided for by our government" and their is not one single word in there about " Housing, Food, Recreation, Phones, Health Care etc" all AKA "Entitlements" In fact the Constitution says only LIFE, LIBERTY and the pursuit of Happiness!

It is impossible to account for all the money the Federal Government spends " IMPOSSIBLE"! We need 2 things a ( Balanced Budget Law and a Spending accountability law ) Both of those would help control the Feds spending. " I SAID HELP not control " Entitlement programs a year are estimated (depending on sources and there are many) to be around 2 to 5 Trillion a year Foreign spending (again depending on source) is 2 to 7 Trillion and Illegal immigration is estimated between 1 and 3 trillion!

That should make every American furious to see that not one source including the Fed can tell us how much is spent each year. I am certain every person who can read this post can tell us how much their Family spends each year and each business owner can tell us as well to the penny! The fed needs to be brought under control it is out of hand and actually more of a Monarchy than a Representative Government.

Term limits are going to be required to do this and a constitutional law requiring That NO ONE can ever be exempted from any laws made. I have been watching Healthcare and seeing Unions, Big Business and Government exemptions made makes me see red. My Family will be paying because of this law an additional 2200.00 a year for health insurance! Yet Obama is giving out exemptions and it is my money and others now paying so everyone can have it! That 2200 is only 323.00 less than last years entire payments for us why did it go up almost100% and we kept the exact same policy?

Ok I need to get ready for work so some lazy POS can have health-care, food stamps- hud housing and lets not forget the Obama-Phone.

[Wayne SW/MO]

The country has always had some debt, but never of the magnitude we're seeing now. Lets face it, we all know that eventually they whole budget will be absorbed by interest if steps aren't taken to reduce it to a manageable number. There is no reason the government can't do as ever family has to do in money crisis, trim the frills.

I don't think the hatcheries for mitigation are a frill, the economies the serve are important and meaningful to real people. This whole situation shouldn't be happening where one agency given the job of providing wildlife, because that is their department, wants to pass it onto an agency who's job it is to construct.

One agency sees an easy out to recoup a budget loss and it's ridiculous because they apparently don't see it as part of their mission after multiple decades. It was apparently fine as long as they got extra money and personnel, and now it's an easy fix to budget deficit, pass the buck. It's like children squabbling over whose job it is without regard to the fact that it doesn't matter because they both serve the same master, or should.

[ness]

It's just not worth the effort to look at little cuts. A few hundred million here and there just isn't worth our time. The big stuff, well, we can't cut that because it's the big stuff. You cut the big stuff and the economy goes in the crapper more. We should be able to trust the military to do the right thing with their $700 billion each year, without us asking a bunch of questions. They're pros! They need to be strong, so we can threaten foreign dictators with Tomahawk strikes, or roll over foreign countries run by bad guys when it's needed. If not us, then who? We also gotta build new carriers and jets, because our old ones, while still the envy of every other country on the planet, just aren't up to date.

As for entitlements, we owe it to our citizens to keep them well fed, sheltered and medicated, whatever the cost! It's how we've become the most prosperous country in the history of the planet. Plus, it keeps children from having to take their aging parents in when they're broke or sick. We all know that's a hassle. Good health comes from good insurance and that makes it possible for us to live much, much longer. And that's obviously a good thing. Everybody wants to outlive their organs and their brain. Who doesn't look forward to the day when you're cast aside by your family and placed in a home, living in a pool/pile of your own waste, burning through the remnants of your savings while playing bingo? Plus, you might qualify for one of those scooters. Nice!

So, I really don't see the need to change anything. It all seems to be going pretty well.

[ness]

[fishinwrench]

Reality √

[Wayne SW/MO]

They're pros! They need to be strong

Well not pro enough to know what they want, that's why congress pushed the F-35 and the C-17 down their throats.

[Chief Grey Bear]

Ok I need to get ready for work so some lazy POS can have health-care, food stamps- hud housing and lets not forget the Obama-Phone.

Some of those lazy people, about 5000 of them are in the active military. Acitve military people also live in HUD housing. And of course they are also on the dole for healthcare. And as posted on OAF before, here is the skinny on the bamster phone. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

I will agree that these programs need to be tightened up.

[Old plug]

AL i agree about the spending but discretionary spending to a limited pint. I been there and done that. I will not do any details but here is how it works. Lets say a office needs a million to carry out a special function that was not included in the appropriations. They are going to contact the head office and explain in detail. How many hires, how many supplies on and on. Then after the money is approved the do the hire and all the stuff for this special function. Now lets say the special function dies not happen for some reason. What do you think they do with that money in that office. ??? A. Return it to the main off ice to be used. B use it for something else. C Go ahead and do the function anyway. Remember these funds were issued to complete a certain thing as specified by law.

[Al Agnew]

Al, the United States does not have any "Balanced Budget Requirement or Law for the Fed"! Until there is a Constitutional requirement for that it will not happen. All the talk about government shut-down is a smoke and mirror game for politicians trying to gain money for PORK!

That being said we cannot nor should not cut military spending as it "IS" a requirement by law of our Constitution that the Government provide " for the common defense" If people would actually read the Constitution they would see what is mandated to be "Provided for by our government" and their is not one single word in there about " Housing, Food, Recreation, Phones, Health Care etc" all AKA "Entitlements" In fact the Constitution says only LIFE, LIBERTY and the pursuit of Happiness!

It is impossible to account for all the money the Federal Government spends " IMPOSSIBLE"! We need 2 things a ( Balanced Budget Law and a Spending accountability law ) Both of those would help control the Feds spending. " I SAID HELP not control " Entitlement programs a year are estimated (depending on sources and there are many) to be around 2 to 5 Trillion a year Foreign spending (again depending on source) is 2 to 7 Trillion and Illegal immigration is estimated between 1 and 3 trillion!

That should make every American furious to see that not one source including the Fed can tell us how much is spent each year. I am certain every person who can read this post can tell us how much their Family spends each year and each business owner can tell us as well to the penny! The fed needs to be brought under control it is out of hand and actually more of a Monarchy than a Representative Government.

Term limits are going to be required to do this and a constitutional law requiring That NO ONE can ever be exempted from any laws made. I have been watching Healthcare and seeing Unions, Big Business and Government exemptions made makes me see red. My Family will be paying because of this law an additional 2200.00 a year for health insurance! Yet Obama is giving out exemptions and it is my money and others now paying so everyone can have it! That 2200 is only 323.00 less than last years entire payments for us why did it go up almost100% and we kept the exact same policy?

Ok I need to get ready for work so some lazy POS can have health-care, food stamps- hud housing and lets not forget the Obama-Phone.

Ummm...I think you're WAY off on your figures. Total federal spending for last year was a few billion south of $3.6 trillion. To make things a little easier to visualize, that's 3600 billion. Total foreign aid spending was $49.5 billion. Note that of that amount, a bit under 18 billion was military aid, and over 10 billion of the military aid went to Afghanistan. But if you add up that whole 49.5 billion, that's only somewhere around 1.5% of U.S. spending. Non-military aid was less than 1% of total spending. Not that I'm happy about spending all those billions, but it shows you that cutting it all out would make very little difference.

Another interesting fact...total federal spending in 2012 amounted to around 22% of the gross national product. If you go back for a couple decades or more, you'll find that total spending ranged from a low of somewhere around 19% to a high of 23% of the gnp each year. So it's not like we're taxing and spending a lot more than we used to. But we ARE spending a greater percentage of total spending servicing the interest on our debts.

[Old plug]

FINS-- i believe Al has a real good grasp on how the government works. I think he has come to that point through study and not the news and talk radio networks. I go along with Al on this.

Yes lets not forget Obama phone. One thing wrong with that is that it was not a Obama thing. It was started I believe in the Clinton administration. The big spending thing about it you can lay at the feet of Bush directly. The whole story of this is on line in other places than Scopes etc. I think you should read both sides of any issue.

Your wrong about it is Impossible to account. On the whole they account for every penny they are given to run their departments. That does not means its not wasted. Here is a prime example. Say a agency gets ten million to run a year. Comes along about August they have only used 8 million. You think if they are not using they will turn that money in???? No they will not. you know why becayse they will be cut to 8 million the next year and there will not be enough money to preform there mission and they may very well lay off people and that makes even harder to get things done. There are several ways to get rid of that other to million. Maybe some remodeling, maybe build some kind of monument( i seen that one) then there is working everyone overtime when overtime is not warrented. The ways are endless. But they using only what they were guven and assuring that they will be able to function the next year.

As far as Obama care gies at this point it is not known what the cost MIGHT be. Only thing known is that some prople ONLY know what

they electively want go here on the news. Your better off you think eith the way it is. You have any idea at all where the money you pay to your insurabce company goes??? They make big profit and in some cases its getting bigger all the time. I know for a fact thst millions and millions if bucks go to top exectives evey year for being nice guys.

What should we do with all these people that are unemployed. Maybe shoot them like a Tea Party boss here in Camdenton suggested so that they could save on school lunches for underprivalaged children ( the policecwere called in on thst one)

Read both sides Fins