Wayne SW/MO Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Obviously wolves could survive here, but I think what Al is say and I agree is that the food supply is intermingled with livestock too closely. There's no way the could survive in harmony with farmers and ranchers. Cats have an affinity for deer and that will probably keep them from becoming a big threat to agriculture, but I believe a wolf pack would go after cattle long before they would a deer. Today's release is tomorrows gift to another fisherman.
jdmidwest Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Then Wayne, you are agreeing that he did the right thing, he shot it to protect someone's livestock. We do not need any new large predators roaming our countryside here in MO. I am tired of paying $10 a pound for my steaks. How could you support protection of a wolf and not condemn coyote hunting? The coyotes are just as majestic as a wolf, a very nice animal in full winter fur. And their songs of a night are fun to listen to. They are pack animals with a sense of territory like the wolves, they have a heirarchy in the packs like the wolves. I doubt that mistaking it for a coyote was his best defense. Hunting coyotes with dogs during firearms season is illegal during the daylight. The only way to hunt them is if you are in possession of a valid firearms deer tag as a secondary kill. Again, all of the articles that I have read tell nothing about the events that really took place when he shot it. "Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously." — Hunter S. Thompson
Wayne SW/MO Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 JD the only concern I have is that he apparently wasn't sure what it was. I wouldn't call coyotes majestic. They are at odds with nature when ever we create any vacuum. We are about the only thing they won't attack and when that kind of predator becomes over populated everybody loses. Today's release is tomorrows gift to another fisherman.
Big Brown Trout Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 living in Newton Co my whole life I have seen a lot of wolves. (I think in MO 3 wolves probably qualifies as a lot). Really though im far more concerned about the bobcat population. Out here by my place we had a pack of them that would roam around at night. Also one night coming out of a CA in McDonald county my wife and I were surrounded by a huge pack of at least thirty of them. luckily they weren't hungry I guess. Let the summer of Carp, begin.
Quillback Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I hope not, that would be kind of scary (and weird) to be surrounded by 30 bobcats.
jdmidwest Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 They bring about $80 a pelt, I know of several guys that would like to break your pack up. Bobcats around here are solitary and very reclusive. "Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously." — Hunter S. Thompson
Justin Spencer Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 MDC has several bobcat herders on staff, you probably got caught in the middle of a drive. "The problem with a politician’s quote on Facebook is you don’t know whether or not they really said it." –Abraham Lincoln Tales of an Ozark Campground Proprietor Dead Drift Fly Shop
LittleRedFisherman Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Who ever wrote the article has never seen coyotes in the Bootheel, there's coyotes here that are much larger than 30 pounds, i'd say some get close to 80. Had two shot on my farm a few years ago that were approaching that weight. I don't have much experience seeing coyotes in the Ozarks, but here it would be easy to mistaken the identity IMO, especially if it is a long shot with a rifle. Coyotes have killed dozen of my family pets, including my prize rabbit dog years ago, so I don't hesitate to shoot them here. That being said, I hate that wolf was shot, but if that guy is used to seeing the coyotes I see here, I could see where it could be mistaken. There's no such thing, as a bad day fishing!
skeeter Posted January 26, 2014 Author Posted January 26, 2014 Who ever wrote the article has never seen coyotes in the Bootheel, there's coyotes here that are much larger than 30 pounds, i'd say some get close to 80. Had two shot on my farm a few years ago that were approaching that weight. I don't have much experience seeing coyotes in the Ozarks, but here it would be easy to mistaken the identity IMO, especially if it is a long shot with a rifle. Coyotes have killed dozen of my family pets, including my prize rabbit dog years ago, so I don't hesitate to shoot them here. That being said, I hate that wolf was shot, but if that guy is used to seeing the coyotes I see here, I could see where it could be mistaken. I wasn't there and I didn't see them but any Canid close to 80 lbs. is either pure Wolf or one of those Coy-Wolf hybrids that have been verified expanding their range in the Northeastern U.S. and Southeastern Canada. There was an excellent program about the Coy-Wolf on PBS-TV Wed. night, 1-22-14, at 7 P.M. CST on their "Nature" series. Most of those programs are re-broadcast or can be viewed on the PBS website and if you can find it I would suggest anyone interested watch it or record it. Good, solid info. presented in an interesting, non-boring format with lot's of videos of the animals. Apparently they are a lot less "shy" of humans than pure Coyotes and that is worrisome to many. Sorry about the loss of your family pets, Coyotes are really bad about that.
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