Old plug Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 If they charged up to him in a group I am betting he will get off because he will have self defense on his side. Smalliebig...... It is his property they just have right to passage more or less. It is a very complicated thing thats for sure. It might well go all the way to the Mo supreme court before we maybe here a final decision. And it could go further with national results. I think waterway property owners are going to band together over this. I would hate to see it go to the feds.
Al Agnew Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 I rather doubt the whole property issue will have much traction in this case. In Missouri, as far as I know, you don't have the right to shoot somebody for trespassing unless they are coming into your house, so the only logical ploy on the part of the defendant's attorney will be self-defense, which has nothing to do with who did and didn't have the right to be there. The only way the whole trespass issue comes into it is if the defense has to try to justify him confronting the floaters in the first place and precipitating the situation that ended with him allegedly acting in self defense.
Old plug Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 you have a good point there Al. Who started it would make a. difference. i was not looking for that.
Guest P. owensby Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 Will be interesting to see how sympathetic this Steelville jury will be. Personally, I think the guy should get first degree murder charge. Sitting there waiting with a loaded gun for the next floater to come urinate on "his" gravel bar. Wow, the equivalent of a lion on the Savannah! I'm sure blood was coming off his fangs as well...
Guest P. owensby Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 One dimwit dead, and another going to jail. Not much else to the story. That about sums it up perfectly!
Guest P. owensby Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 "The shooting has been described in a similar light as Floridas historic Trayvon Martin case without the race factor." That's some fine journalism right there. I don't read the PD! It seems like they have adopted a model similar to Pravda...
Guest P. owensby Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 Ditto, plenty of stupid to go around on this one, or plenty of drunk, or both. It never ceases to amaze me that to some St. Louis area floaters that the law, common sense, & civility flys out the window when you pass Six Flags on 44...
Guest P. owensby Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 Yea, alcohol makes you do dumb things, like throwing rocks at a pissed off guy with a gun. I don't see how he could get murder in the first, but manslaughter yes. Without knowing nothing but he said/she said, I'll reserve judgement! While a plethora of people love to engage in hypotheticals for expediency, I dig the truth and that's yet to be issued!
Guest P. owensby Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 Seriously - what the? How is it like Trayvon Martin exactly?? and WHO has made that comparison? The PD is the entity that opened that can of worms, not the individual you are responding too! Address the original messenger, not someone who is merely reciting a section from an article!
Quillback Posted May 14, 2014 Posted May 14, 2014 After reading this statement: "Of about 60 potential jurors asked by Bert, almost all of them said they’d be willing to use a firearm to defend themselves." Defence is going to argue it was self-defence, all they have to do is place doubt in the juries mind, I can see Crocker walking.
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