Property Owners Vs Floaters And Anglers

[Feathers and Fins]

I said it before in the super long thread on this subject and i will say it again.

I am all for gun rights and right to defend self and property but this sure does not look like a case for defense of self or property. Looks like a land owner who has had enough of people (in his eyes at least trespassing ) and trashing his property and he took to vigilante justice. I think its clear now they will be going for a self defense Castle Doctrine defense

[Mark]

I wasn't there either and can only assume how the whole thing went down. I expect a manslaughter verdict as well.

I would think that this act resulting in a death would lead lawmakers to finally, once and for all, eliminate the grey area in the law regarding where the public has a legal right to be on the our streams, specifically phrases such as "navigable stream" and "high water mark".

My biggest fear, though, is that the general public is not going to like where any clarification of the law is going to take us. God, I hope we don't end up like Colorado, where the landowner owns the riverbank and the stream bed, and you cannot get out on the bank or wade in streams through private ground.

[Guest P. owensby]

Will be interesting to see how sympathetic this Steelville jury will be.

Meaning they are inherently bias? I guess your suggesting a change of venue is in order? I'd like to here what & where said trial should be held in your opinion for that you seem uncomfortable that a Crawford County proceeding will yield no justice & you already stated that you think he is guilty of the most heinous of all crimes! You raised the original query, not I... Enlighten us please! And if there is a plausible reason for such relocation, I would be on board if again, it's a plausible reason! If I was a betting man however, I think you would only like to see said relocated trial in Clayton, Columbia, or Independence! I could be entirely wrong on that though! Help clear it up for us Sir! You never hold back!

[Feathers and Fins]

Politics are where this will end up is my fear and we all know they cant use the brain god gave them to scratch their butt's!

I really think the simple solution to the waterways is simple (1) if it is floatable/navigatable the water and the bank below the high water mark is public domain. (2) the property owners own the land to centerline of the stream and maintain access and uses of the water. (3) The landowner MAY NOT impede the use of the waterway by the general public nor harass those using the waterway below high water mark. (4) On posted property above the high water mark tresspassing is punishable by current Missouri Tresspassing Law. (5) Any person caught below high water mark damaging property shall be charged with destruction of private property.

Just off the top of my head. I think that would address landowners and public interest.

[Guest P. owensby]

I really think the simple solution to the waterways is simple (1) if it is floatable/navigatable the water and the bank below the high water mark is public domain. (2) the property owners own the land to centerline of the stream and maintain access and uses of the water. (3) The landowner MAY NOT impede the use of the waterway by the general public nor harass those using the waterway below high water mark. (4) On posted property above the high water mark tresspassing is punishable by current Missouri Tresspassing Law. (5) Any person caught below high water mark damaging property shall be charged with destruction of private property.

Remember, when the 1954 MO Supreme Court issue was rendered, it was based on ONE float angler, not a entire city's population going to the country & acting a fool & everything that comes with it! I will say this, just like bike-riders don't pay PP tax (which would help pay for road upkeep) neither do floaters pay any sort of fee that goes DIRECTLY to state government for their usage! I think a Floaters stamp/license, or something to that effect would cut down on this increasing out of control calamity that transpires from May to September. It's not the anglers that are complicit in this, it's the urban/rural cowboys that are & we are the ones that are going to suffer for their actions! I'd have no problem paying $50-100.00 bones for such license just like I would gladly pay much more than 12 bux for a fishing license if it truly benefited stream fishing in MO...

[ness]

Meaning they are inherently bias? I guess your suggesting a change of venue is in order? I'd like to here what & where said trial should be held in your opinion for that you seem uncomfortable that a Crawford County proceeding will yield no justice & you already stated that you think he is guilty of the most heinous of all crimes! You raised the original query, not I... Enlighten us please! And if there is a plausible reason for such relocation, I would be on board if again, it's a plausible reason! If I was a betting man however, I think you would only like to see said relocated trial in Clayton, Columbia, or Independence! I could be entirely wrong on that though! Help clear it up for us Sir! You never hold back!

Look, just like in the Trayvon Martin deal ...Let's skip the trial and let Nancy Grace decide.

[Guest P. owensby]

Look, just like in the Trayvon Martin deal ...Let's skip the trial and let Nancy Grace decide.

We are a rush to judgement society! There's no doubt about that...

[Feathers and Fins]

I could see requiring all vessels to have tags but not a fee for floating, you might as well require a fee for walking in parks or sidewalks. But a boat registration fee regardless of size or propultion i could get behind.

[Guest P. owensby]

^^^Agreed, something, anything! It's a circus out there and we are gonna suffer in the end for their misfit-type behavior! Just look at loss of access at the low water bridges! It ain't because of us & were the only "outsiders" that appreciate the resource!

[Wayne SW/MO]

I don't want to attack liveries, but most of the bad acting is done in rental canoes. I don't know how you would separate the renters who are there for a leisurely float from those who are there to party? I know on the Niangua there is always a bunch on there that could care less about anyone else and I have no doubt they wouldn't act the way they do any where else.

It's always kind of sad to see a couple with a small child launching while 100 yards downstream you have a crowd of loud drunks who could care less. They hit the stream half drunk and within a 100 yards they're out a gravel bar taking a leak and using language they wouldn't allow anyone else to use in front of their family.

Having said all that, I don't CC suffers from that and my guess is the landowner just wanted to impress his buddy.