This Is Very Sad

[Feathers and Fins]

Stats? Oh puleeeze. In the 60's-70's people weren't convicted of "crimes" unless a CRIME was actually committed.

Today you're a "victim" if you experience mild displeasure in something, and you're a "criminal" if you know who caused the displeasure and fail to report it.

Comparative Stats go out the window when the rules of society change.

We did not have sobriety checkpoints or cops in school, I did get pulled over so they can see my car ( Restored Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 1965 ). If you got busted you probably did it but we did not have the court of Social Media that convicted you before trial. But Glen is so right now everyone is a victim even if it was a aunts friends bridge partners nieces friend that it happened to.

Growing up if someone bullied you your dad told you to kick their butt, you might get in trouble at school but not at home it was called standing up for yourself. And we seldom had a bully problem as typically he would meet a few people to deal with the problem and teachers and principles turned a blind eye but gently whispered not to hurt him to the point he had to go to the nurse.

If you did get in a fight in school or any other trouble you saw the principle and he/she dished out the punishment based on the facts. We sure did not need a cop involved for kids being kids. BTW we carried knives to school from a young age and as we got older seeing a shotgun or rifle in the truck window during hunting season was never looked at twice ( unless it was new then everyone wanted to see it and check it out ) and never had a shooting or stabbing.

Girls kept their legs crossed and you needed the jaws of life to pry them open and most times it also required 1. asking her dads permission 2. followed by a trip to the court house, 3.then a signing a paper followed by 4. a preacher mans blessing and Finally #5 ditching both your best friends somehow.

[Bird Watcher]

Hey Chris BirdWatcher,

I love you too man,

The BilletHeads

That's more important to me than any political discussion, M&P. Right back at ya

Somebody above asked "what do you do, go vote?"

Simple answer: Be the change you want to see.

Treat people decently. Take responsibility for yourself. Don't put up with BS. Etc.

A while ago I started a discussion about the Bull Float. Drunk lewd obnoxious behavior taking over a state park swimming beach. Most of the people here said "who cares?"

We've ceded our good sense to so-called "freedom" and the "who cares?" mentality. We are free to be drunken fools in public! in plain view and earshot of children.

Who cares?

I guess I'm part of the problem, I posted something on an anonymous message board and forgot about it. Instead I should have written a letter to the park ranger.

I agree those are good rules to live by Hank, but please tell me how that fixes Social Security?

[Mitch f]

But Mitch...is this a common thing in public schools, or is it getting attention because it's so over the top and unheard of? With however many hundreds of thousands or millions of public schools in America, statistically something really stupid and obnoxious is going to happen now and then, and thanks to our Information Age, when it does, it does not go unnoticed. Is all this really a nationwide public school curriculum, or one idiotic teacher taking things to extremes?

Here's the real problem...the incredible number of teenage unwed pregnancies, leading to poorly educated mothers raising (usually by themselves or with family members) children who already have one strike against them...and a society that takes it as a matter of course that a significant percentage of teenage girls will get pregnant. Parents abdicating THEIR responsibility for teaching sex education and sexual morality, and expecting the schools to do it. A society whose media glorifies and saturates us with sexual themes, leading to 12 year old girls thinking they have to be "sexy" to be popular. That's what we should be outraged about, but it's so common and pervasive that we can't work up any outrage anymore about it, we can only get outraged at the stuff that is so rare and over the top that we just can't believe it happened.

I would sure hope this is an isolated case of perversion and not part of the normal curriculum....common core or not.

You're absolutely correct on the unwed mother thing, and lack of parental teaching. My reaction to this kind of thing stems from my protection instincts for my little girl. I waited many years for her and didn't have her until I was 48 years old. I admit I'm overly protective of her.

[Wayne SW/MO]

Stats? Oh puleeeze. In the 60's-70's people weren't convicted of "crimes" unless a CRIME was actually committed.

Today you're a "victim" if you experience mild displeasure in something, and you're a "criminal" if you know who caused the displeasure and fail to report it.

Comparative Stats go out the window when the rules of society change.

Lot's of truth there. I might say that you could extend that back to the 50's. The big increse isn't necessarily in people commiting more crimes, but more crimes being created. The governmnet is convinced, the government being those in charge, is convinced that the more control they can apply the more people that will benefit from their superior knowledge.

[hoglaw]

Compare the stats from the 60s 70s 80s to those now, crime wise, and say that again.

If only there was something where you could just type in a question and get a result rather than reciting points with no factual basis whatsoever....

Just messing with you. But it's always been my impression that crime has dropped significantly in the last couple of decades. Freakonomics, which is a great read if nothing else, attributed the drop in violent crime to Roe v. Wade and easy access to abortions for the women most likely to give birth to future violent criminals. That's one thing, but the statistics are another. Here's what I found from a quick Google search that linked to Wikipedia:

Crime in the United States has been present since colonization. Crime rates have varied over time, with a sharp rise after World War II, before peaking between the 1970s and early 1990s. Since the early 1990s, crime has declined in the United States,^[1] and current crime rates are approximately the same as those of the 1960s.^[2]

I'll confess that I did the exact same thing Jerry mentioned at the beginning of the thread. I was taking a deposition in Magnolia Arkansas last Thursday and saw flags and half-mast everywhere. I had no idea what it was until I realized it was September 11th. I remember where I was and what I was doing when it all went down - I had just finished taking a shower in the dorm and was walking by my RA's room in a towel when he told me what was going on. So I'm by no means too young to remember it. I just forgot the date. Just as an earlier poster said, the significance of the event never changes, but the immediate reaction to the date certainly wanes over time. Probably part of a natural process.

[Wayne SW/MO]

I suppose everyone had a different reaction to Jerry's post. I thought he was pointing out that while the teen noticed the flag status, neither had gotton the answer, even though one was curious. Accepting that it was for someone named Joan Rivers, who was probably a mystery to them, without wanting more information is probably one point. The main point though is that the biggest attack on US soil didn't come into the picture.

I know some will say it's impossible, but I was only 2 1/2 when Pearl Harbor was attacked and that is my oldest memory of an event. The feeling transfered from the adults, the fear or whatever it was stuck with me, even though it was years before I knew anything about the reality.

[ness]

Same with me and JFK--I remember the feeling but didn't understand it until later. I was 4

[Feathers and Fins]

I would say my earliest "known understandable" situation was the Hostages in Iran, what still stands out to me is the Yellow ribbons on tree's everyplace, The feeling in the Nation of utter hatred for Iran and the wish to destroy them and the frustration with a President who seemed like a coward and had no answers. I remember the euphoria when they were freed and how it seemed that the New President was one the world did not want to mess with and that he would lead our country and make it great.

[Chief Grey Bear]

Yeah but that didn't quite happen.

[Flysmallie]

Here's the real problem...the incredible number of teenage unwed pregnancies, leading to poorly educated mothers raising (usually by themselves or with family members) children who already have one strike against them...and a society that takes it as a matter of course that a significant percentage of teenage girls will get pregnant. Parents abdicating THEIR responsibility for teaching sex education and sexual morality, and expecting the schools to do it. A society whose media glorifies and saturates us with sexual themes, leading to 12 year old girls thinking they have to be "sexy" to be popular. That's what we should be outraged about, but it's so common and pervasive that we can't work up any outrage anymore about it, we can only get outraged at the stuff that is so rare and over the top that we just can't believe it happened.

But they glorify teenage pregnancy on MTV!

And voting is a scam. If this country really wants to send a message to our government then nobody should vote. That might be enough to scare them into understanding who should be in charge of this country. I voted for a long time. I thought it was my duty as an American. But the problem is that you spend a lot of time trying to understand the issues and people you are voting for and then once they are in office they do whatever they please. Or whatever secures the most votes next time or pads their finances. It's a scam that I will not be part of in the future.

Just look at the amount of money they make for THE REST OF THEIR LIVES! How is that right? Meanwhile we have folks struggling to find a job with a decent wage. Struggling to make ends meet. While the price of everything continues to rise. Padding those pockets of the Royal Government. It's sickening.