Sign Of The Times

[Haris122]

Holy cow, that guy hunting hogs with the minigun seemed to have accomplished a lot of nothing. I don't think he killed 3 feral pigs with probably 100 rounds he fired off. Should've waited for them to get together in a cluster before he used that baby.

I'll admit, I'm one of the folks that has a couple of the more "assault" like rifles around. I got mine first for "just in case" and for flexibility purposes, and then later on it evovled into a hobby of assembling them from parts kits. Granted it's not great at any one thing, but for someone on a limited budget, I do think it has its perks. There's desireable features for defence (reliable semi-auto fire, no need for immediate reload, and power to stop someone or larger game more so than a lot of handgun calibers), yet at the same time it's robust and has sufficient range for a lot of the run-of the mill missouri hunting purposes. And the ammunition is generally cheap to practice with more than other calibers, and just to enjoy shooting the gun/guns with just for fun.

In the end, a shotgun would've probably accomplished a lot of the same, but my particular one is also more easy to manouver than most shotguns, and there's a bit less time and target aquisition lost with the semi-auto mechanism if need be, than with the pump of the shotgun. Plus slugs for a 12 gauge are much more expensive to practice with. Though there's no legality problems as far as taking a shotgun to another state if you move, but oh well. It has it's pluses and minuses. Point being it's not great at a lot of things, but if you shop right, the price it could be a good deal cheaper than buying a shotgun, pistol, and dedicated hunting rifle separately, or even just a shotgun and pistol. Eventually I still got me both of those others anyways, but nonetheless, for a long time it was just my semi-auto rifle and that's it.

[jdmidwest]

The Garand and the carbine were both M1's. I had M1A1 stuck in my mind, have no idea why, when i was thinking of the M14. The M14 was a glorified Garand. It was slimmed down and chambered for the 7.62X? NATO. As everyone knows now it was no match for the AK47 in the jungles of SE Asia. Special forces were leaning more and more toward shotguns, captured Ak's and anything they could find except the M14.

The Air Force combat plan was strictly one of defense and evacuation and the shoulder small arms were for that. The Carbine was the weapon of choice with a few grease guns thrown in. If anyone has had a lot of experince with the carbine, I have, you know it left a lot to be desired.

AF personel wern't given a lot of training in the mechanics of the carbine and it's tendency to jam made it a borderline weapon.

When the Clinton ban came about, Springfield Armory started on modernizing the M1. I have been wanting a Socom since they first came out 10 years ago, but have not picked one up. Nice rifle. Still used at Camp Perry for alot of competitions. Lots of firepower and more politically correct in the day because it has a traditional stock.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/m1a-socom-16/

[joeD]

Let's sing along with the bouncing ball...

1. Post title is "Sign of the Times"

2. Pictures of weapons on a company mailing advertisement not normally associated with "outdoor" pursuits from a world class outfitter is shown prominently.

3. Poster posits that said outfitter knows its customers.

4. Subsequent response from most others on forum, is, at once, hostile, sarcastic, offended,passionate, and, beyond scope and intent of post.

5. This is quite natural when guns, weapons, rifles, home defense, the Constitution, women, dogs, sports, music and potential male partners are the subject.

6. Regardless, look at an advertising mailer from Cabela's from 2004. 10 years ago.

7. Things change. Sign of the times.

BTW: In Japan, it's called "tentacle porn."

[hoglaw]

You don't have to follow the bouncing ball any farther than the first two bounces. Two trolls trolled eachother within the first few minutes. /endofthread

[Wayne SW/MO]

That's an interesting modification JD. It does look like something that would be fun to fool with.

I hand loaded from the time I was 18 and really enjoyed it and probably 30 years ago I backed off the big game hunting and started spending more time at the bench and varmit humting. I think I had more fun hunting coyotes over the years than deer, antelope or elk. I could see some hunting application for that gun.

I shot at Perry in '62 and military could check out a weapon for the "National Match". The NM required a 4# trigger pull and some restrictions on modifications and most of us relied on guns that didn't meet that, hence the reason for allowing one to borrow. You could also buy the weapon if you wanted and I bought mine and paid $60+ dolllars for the 1911A1. I had it for many years, but eventually sold it, which I regretted before too long.

[jdmidwest]

That's an interesting modification JD. It does look like something that would be fun to fool with.

I hand loaded from the time I was 18 and really enjoyed it and probably 30 years ago I backed off the big game hunting and started spending more time at the bench and varmit humting. I think I had more fun hunting coyotes over the years than deer, antelope or elk. I could see some hunting application for that gun.

I shot at Perry in '62 and military could check out a weapon for the "National Match". The NM required a 4# trigger pull and some restrictions on modifications and most of us relied on guns that didn't meet that, hence the reason for allowing one to borrow. You could also buy the weapon if you wanted and I bought mine and paid $60+ dolllars for the 1911A1. I had it for many years, but eventually sold it, which I regretted before too long.

Thats a shame. That ole 45 would be a great piece now. Made by Colt, you would have made your money back on it at least 20 times more if it was in good shape.

I have been around guns and people long enough to see some things too. Plastic and Parkerize have led to many misconceptions about firearms. But plastic and parkerize are stable in all environments for the most part and hold up better than wood and blue. When I shoot, I don't go for the "brush" shot, I aim for the "head" shot. I despise a gun that does not shoot well or chokes when I need it.

When the Glocks first came out, I was first on the bus to slam them. Lots of plastic and no safety. Butt ugly. Then I shot one. The striker trigger pull was consistent and the finish was durable. The gun worked, worked better than most of the other autos of the time that were double action only.

But they were scorned as a foreign weapon designed to sneak thru Xray equipment at the airports and metal detectors everywhere. Funny thing, now they have been adapted by about every law enforcement group in the USA at one time or another. I took a doe with my 21 during firearms season one time.

[Wayne SW/MO]

Thats a shame. That ole 45 would be a great piece now. Made by Colt, you would have made your money back on it at least 20 times more if it was in good shape.

I didn't see many Colt's. Remiington Rand, some Ithaca's and the rare Singer were the norm it seemed. The one I bought and all those supplied at the nationalls were worked over by the armory. They had the slides tightened up, the sears smoothed out and the triggers set very close to #4 and match sights installed.