Fishing Guides - Making money on tax dollars?

[WettinLine]

I will try to give the simple answer for the question.

A guide pays for his License ( Guide License ) that’s a tax goes to outdoors

A guide is on the water far more than an average angler and pays Fuel Taxes ( hey those go to roads not lakes you drive on )

A guide pays taxes on all his gear and bait ( goes to the outdoors )

A guide has to repair or buy new gear from clients breaking or losing it ( More outdoor tax money )

How about the Taxes um license his clients (especially out of staters pay) more back to the outdoors

Now the long version is in the tax code of who pays the original tax but then is passed on to the consumer. Look it up on the IRS website. This is just the short version.

Would you like me to go on? If you look at the amount of (TAX money that a guide spends it far surpasses any weekend angler hands down) that tax money pays for those spoonbill and so many other things and let’s not forget those roads you drive on his fuel tax pays to maintain those.

It’s a business they are taxed but unlike many business because of outdoor taxes their taxes go back to the resource, well are suppose to anyway. Oh and lets not forget getting angry clients for one reason or another, or bad weather, fish not biting etc etc etc. Sounds like a glamour's job and fun but in reality its a lot of work. More than most would imagine.

I'm sure the roads and the lake would survive without guides. I know a few hunting guides, and it seems like a cash business, especially when you show up on the water or property without a card machine, but i'm sure they are all really honest people and pay taxes on every dollar!!! WRONG

[awhuber]

I pay $25 for 3 cords of standing trees in marked areas of MTNF. Thanks again!

[WettinLine]

I stand corrected awhuber, maybe we should mark stocked fish EATER\TOSS BACK

[Flysmallie]

but i'm sure they are all really honest people and pay taxes on every dollar!!! WRONG

Well I'm glad that it's only guides that are screwing the IRS. Can you imagine what it would be like if all businesses acted that way? I'll make sure the lawn mowing boy gives me a receipt next time he cuts the grass that's for sure.

[ozark trout fisher]

In most cases, I have no problem with fishing guides and the way they interact with the resource. A good guide encourages their clients to release some or all of their catch, or at the bare minimum, insures they stay within the law. Also, a good fishing guide does a heck of a lot more than help people catch fish. The ones I've really enjoyed have spent dang near as much time explaining the natural history of the place, what the river is like other times of the year, what it's like to live in that area (if I'm somewhere I'm unfamiliar with.) What you hope for is that you're paying for a friendly local who can clue you into the area and also help you catch a few fish. As a side note that has nothing to do with this thread, I find I have both a better time and tend to catch more fish when I take the pressure off a guide by telling him that upfront. You'll get a lot less out of it if your guide thinks he needs to put you on 50 fish in 8 hours to get a decent tip.

It gets a little touchy for me when a guide service (and there are plenty that match this description) markets itself primarily on every client "getting their limit." Then it's hard to make the argument that you aren't just paying for fish, not much different from a pay-to-fish trout farm. Only in this case the outfitter doesn't own the fish he's selling.

[Ham]

They see me trollin, they hatin.

[Feathers and Fins]

I'm sure the roads and the lake would survive without guides. I know a few hunting guides, and it seems like a cash business, especially when you show up on the water or property without a card machine, but i'm sure they are all really honest people and pay taxes on every dollar!!! WRONG

These lake would as they are #1 Flood Control and #2 Electricity. The fish on them however could suffer if it were not for the fees collected on the outdoor tax and remember that tax is spread out state wide so what is generated from a large lake also goes to a small lake.

Seeming like a cash business lol. Lets look at what a trip cost.

300.00 for a half day trip

Minus fuel lets say $20.00

Minus Bait 40.00 depending on bait could be more or less but lets say 40

Minus Food and Drink $20.00

Minus yearly maintenance cost for a boat per trip of say $50.00

Those are all must pay expenses Leaving $170.00

Minus Guides pay $120.00

Leaving $50.00 profit

Now if a major mechanical issue for boat or truck happens more money should and has to be added to the annual income cost.

and I didn't even put in Health Care cost or IRS and State taxes. It would be complicated and why Guides normally have someone doing their taxes.

Now that's generic and some cost fluctuate and of course there is some tax write-offs. Sure a guide can lie about his income but so can anyone and if you do and get caught the penalties are steep and IMO not worth it.

[WettinLine]

In most cases, I have no problem with fishing guides and the way they interact with the resource. A good guide encourages their clients to release some or all of their catch, or at the bare minimum, insures they stay within the law. Also, a good fishing guide does a heck of a lot more than help people catch fish. The ones I've really enjoyed have spent dang near as much time explaining the natural history of the place, what the river is like other times of the year, what it's like to live in that area (if I'm somewhere I'm unfamiliar with.) What you hope for is that you're paying for a friendly local who can clue you into the area and also help you catch a few fish. As a side note that has nothing to do with this thread, I find I have both a better time and tend to catch more fish when I take the pressure of a guide by telling him that upfront. You'll get a lot less out of it if your guide thinks he needs to put you on 50 fish in 8 hours to get a decent tip.

It gets a little touchy for me when a guide service (and there are plenty that match this description) markets itself primarily on every client "getting their limit." Then it's hard to make the argument that you aren't just paying for fish, not much different from a pay-to-fish trout farm. Only in this case the outfitter doesn't own the fish he's selling.

You obviously weren't down by Cape Fair the first two weeks of Spoonbill season. The guides tied up every fish in legal size they caught, with eight clients in a boat that is allot of fish, it was sick! The guides are catching all the fish not the clients, eight poles wide all in holders, 16 oz of lead, and driving fast - the clients are just reelers. I can't say I haven't used a guide on a stocked fish, I used a real professional out of Archers and Anglers on my first time trout fishing, he was catch and release kind of guy, a true conservationist.

[WettinLine]

Well I'm glad that it's only guides that are screwing the IRS. Can you imagine what it would be like if all businesses acted that way? I'll make sure the lawn mowing boy gives me a receipt next time he cuts the grass that's for sure.

The lawn business its making money off tax dollars, your talking about a totally different animal!

[WettinLine]

These lake would as they are #1 Flood Control and #2 Electricity. The fish on them however could suffer if it were not for the fees collected on the outdoor tax and remember that tax is spread out state wide so what is generated from a large lake also goes to a small lake.

Seeming like a cash business lol. Lets look at what a trip cost.

300.00 for a half day trip

Minus fuel lets say $20.00

Minus Bait 40.00 depending on bait could be more or less but lets say 40

Minus Food and Drink $20.00

Minus yearly maintenance cost for a boat per trip of say $50.00

Those are all must pay expenses Leaving $170.00

Minus Guides pay $120.00

Leaving $50.00 profit

Now if a major mechanical issue for boat or truck happens more money should and has to be added to the annual income cost.

and I didn't even put in Health Care cost or IRS and State taxes. It would be complicated and why Guides normally have someone doing their taxes.

Now that's generic and some cost fluctuate and of course there is some tax write-offs. Sure a guide can lie about his income but so can anyone and if you do and get caught the penalties are steep and IMO not worth it.

Oh since they made a bad profession choice its ok to not pay taxes.