Aunts Creek

[Codywskeeter1521]

Its my herd because I keep the things deer like. Such as food cover and water. I might lose one or two due to the rut but that's it. Anyways yours a little off too. There for years you could buy a unlimited number of doe tags in the northern counties of mo.

More keeper bass? Don't think this thread was about him keeping g short fish? I apologize if I figured u would connect the dots.

[Seth]

Comparing hunting to fishing is silly. You can always release a fish. Deer don't have that luxury. It takes 4.5+ years to grow a big buck and 10+ for a trophy bass. If somebody keeps a limit of barely legal bass, they will be replaced in a few years. If you kill one trophy class fish, that's 10+ years down the drain. Before you tell me that if you kill all the barely legal fish, there will never be any trophies anyways. No matter how much pressure a place gets, there is always going to be some fish grow to decent size. Once they reach a decent size, they can be caught and released for the rest of their life AND continue growing until they become trophies, monsters, or even record class. On smaller bodies of water, fishing always seems to go down hill when enough smaller fish aren't taken out of the system.

I'd personally rather catch more big fish overall at the expense of total numbers. That's just my opinion though. I'm sure there are others who would prefer to catch 100 dinks over 5 big ones.

[Codywskeeter1521]

Comparing hunting to fishing is silly. You can always release a fish. Deer don't have that luxury. It takes 4.5+ years to grow a big buck and 10+ for a trophy bass. If somebody keeps a limit of barely legal bass, they will be replaced in a few years. If you kill one trophy class fish, that's 10+ years down the drain. Before you tell me that if you kill all the barely legal fish, there will never be any trophies anyways. No matter how much pressure a place gets, there is always going to be some fish grow to decent size. Once they reach a decent size, they can be caught and released for the rest of their life AND continue growing until they become trophies, monsters, or even record class. On smaller bodies of water, fishing always seems to go down hill when enough smaller fish aren't taken out of the system.

I'd personally rather catch more big fish overall at the expense of total numbers. That's just my opinion though. I'm sure there are others who would prefer to catch 100 dinks over 5 big ones.

deer should have that luxury in my opinion. You kill all 3 1/2 year old bucks you are hurting the over all herd. But you let that deer grow till his full potential. Plus you pass his genes though those years.

Just like if you kill all the young does that will reproduce at a higher # and keep those yearlings It doesn't do any good. But there's people out there that kill to kill age ect doesn't matter. But there again it's legal for people to kill anydeer or age and that's there right. Just because I voice my opinions dosent make it right or wrong.

[Iclass]

Ok Cody, I can connect the dots just fine. I'd like to offer an apology if you feel I have attacked you personally, wasn't my intention. I may have misunderstood your last sentence but it feels like maybe it was personal. My opinion is different doesn't mean it's right or wrong. Our opinions are so far away from each other it's interesting to me the way others think.

I don't know of any way to prove how many 15" bass are swimming in the lake, but there would have to be less than 0.1% survival rate for the numbers of bass/deer to be remotely close, and that may be the case, again I have no way of proving it. Still believe if the numbers were anywhere close, there would be a season for bass like there is for deer. But that 6 fish limit applies to everyday and every hour of the year.

[Seth]

deer should have that luxury in my opinion. You kill all 3 1/2 year old bucks you are hurting the over all herd. But you let that deer grow till his full potential. Plus you pass his genes though those years.

Just like if you kill all the young does that will reproduce at a higher # and keep those yearlings It doesn't do any good. But there's people out there that kill to kill age ect doesn't matter. But there again it's legal for people to kill anydeer or age and that's there right. Just because I voice my opinions dosent make it right or wrong.

I don't put anybody down for what they kill. I've killed plenty of dinks over the years and have only recently gotten to the point where I am good with passing smaller deer. Even though I like the antler restrictions for my own personal reasons, I don't think it is right for MDC to force land owners to pass small bucks on their own ground. If you're hunting public ground, then I can see making hunters follow those rules. There have been many times when people complain about just wanting a deer for jerky/sausage and all they see is sub legal bucks. Personally, I would rather see somebody take out a young buck instead of a mature doe that produces twins every year. Most of the folks with this mindset only rifle hunt and they only kill one deer a year anyways. That doe will just get bread by another buck in the area anyways.

Unless you have a butt load of land with bedding and food that allows you to keep deer on your property at all times, you aren't going to manage a deer herd if all of your neighbors blast everything that is brown. If you think you are managing genetics in a wild deer herd, you are just wishful thinking. The best thing you can do is allow deer to get some age, provide good nutrition and cover so they can live as a stress free a life as possible and grow the best rack that their genetics allow.

Here is an article publish by QDMA explaining why you can't manage wild deer genetics.

https://www.qdma.com/articles/why-we-cant-manage-deer-genetics

[Codywskeeter1521]

Ok Cody, I can connect the dots just fine. I'd like to offer an apology if you feel I have attacked you personally, wasn't my intention. I may have misunderstood your last sentence but it feels like maybe it was personal. My opinion is different doesn't mean it's right or wrong. Our opinions are so far away from each other it's interesting to me the way others think.

I don't know of any way to prove how many 15" bass are swimming in the lake, but there would have to be less than 0.1% survival rate for the numbers of bass/deer to be remotely close, and that may be the case, again I have no way of proving it. Still believe if the numbers were anywhere close, there would be a season for bass like there is for deer. But that 6 fish limit applies to everyday and every hour of the year.

iclass nothing was taken personal. You are correct u can keep 6 bass a day every hour of everyday of the year. So does that mean there's more keepers then deer?I don't know. It was a question hoping to get a answer.

So there again just because we see things differently doesn't make either one of us bad guys. I deer hunt but don't keep bass. That's the root of this. Guess we will have to agree to disagree.

[Codywskeeter1521]

I don't put anybody down for what they kill. I've killed plenty of dinks over the years and have only recently gotten to the point where I am good with passing smaller deer. Even though I like the antler restrictions for my own personal reasons, I don't think it is right for MDC to force land owners to pass small bucks on their own ground. If you're hunting public ground, then I can see making hunters follow those rules. There have been many times when people complain about just wanting a deer for jerky/sausage and all they see is sub legal bucks. Personally, I would rather see somebody take out a young buck instead of a mature doe that produces twins every year. Most of the folks with this mindset only rifle hunt and they only kill one deer a year anyways. That doe will just get bread by another buck in the area anyways.

Unless you have a butt load of land with bedding and food that allows you to keep deer on your property at all times, you aren't going to manage a deer herd if all of your neighbors blast everything that is brown. If you think you are managing genetics in a wild deer herd, you are just wishful thinking. The best thing you can do is allow deer to get some age, provide good nutrition and cover so they can live as a stress free a life as possible and grow the best rack that their genetics allow.

Here is an article publish by QDMA explaining why you can't manage wild deer genetics.

https://www.qdma.com/articles/why-we-cant-manage-deer-genetics

Well said seth.

[MOPanfisher]

http://www.ozarkswaterwatch.org/documents/2014TABLEROCKLAKEANNUALREPORT.pdf I don't know if this is posted already somewhere or not, but just the reading entertainment of those interested here is a link to the MDC 2014 Annual Report for Table Rock.

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Only 25 more posts and this thread (of mostly worthless wasted words) will achieve the status of the most responded to post ever. I know we can do it.

[Codywskeeter1521]

Only 25 more posts and this thread (of mostly worthless wasted words) will achieve the status of the most responded to post ever. I know we can do it.

I've done more then my part to help out