Root Admin Phil Lilley Posted June 12, 2015 Root Admin Posted June 12, 2015 OK - didn't think I'd ever ask this on OAF but I bet we have some basketball refs here - or at least arm chair coaches that may know their stuff. Was playing b-ball the other morning and was called for traveling. I was going for a ball that was going out of bounds. I caught the ball while only taking 2 steps before releasing it, about the same as a layup. Some of the guys said this - 2 steps is ok on a shot but not on a grab and pass. I asked them when I traveled-- on the first or second step and if at all, when did I move my pivot foot? I didn't get an answer... It's haunted me since. I googled it but didn't get a definitive answer. We play in the morning...
Quillback Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 As far as I know, traveling is traveling, whether taking a shot, going out of bounds etc., I would have to see you on slow motion replay from several angles before I could make a call on whether or not you were traveling. Disclaimer: I have never been a basketball ref. Phil Lilley 1
Lancer09 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 When going for a shot you get 1.5 steps. I.e. Layup. After you have picked up your dribble you get that first foot down, and the ball has had to have left your hand before the second foot comes down. Explained better: Your first foot that comes down when you've picked up your dribble is your right foot. You have to have shot the ball before your right foot comes back down again, which would have completed 2 full steps. When coming down with a pass you get 2 steps. Basically each foot can come down after you've caught a pass in stride. The ball must either leave your hand, or commit to dribbling before the first foot that landed after possession of the ball comes down a second time. When you have decided to go for a layup, or catch a pass that first foot that comes down legally becomes your established pivot foot. Therefore you have to do something with the ball before it comes down again. It can be confusing for sure. Say you're dribbling, and pick it up and begin to pivot on your right foot. You can actually then lift your pivot foot and stand on your left leg. there is no traveling violation until you've either moved put your right foot back on the ground, or moved your left foot on the ground. While stationary and still this is essentially the same thing that you are doing on a layup. Another example are some post moves you see. Guy pivots, and steps around his defender, he has to shoot that ball before what was his pivot foot comes down. That's not to say that your officials are going to properly call it. Kind of the same concept of players who will take a proper Eurostep, it looks goofy, but they are just using their steps and taking bigger strides to change direction. Disclaimer: I am a basketball official
Lancer09 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Just like any time you hear "over the back" OTB is not a foul, nor is it located anywhere in the rulebook. I can legally go over the back of some short guy and not touch him at all. Basketball can be, and is a weird sport rule wise.
Jerry Rapp Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Lancer explained it very good, unfortunately any game you watch anymore, be it college or pro, the rule is never really enforced. I cringe a lot when I watch any bb game on the tube anymore.
Root Admin Phil Lilley Posted June 12, 2015 Author Root Admin Posted June 12, 2015 Couple of the guys I play with pulled out a rule I'd never heard of... you can take that 1.5 step when shooting (layup) but not on a pass or saving the ball out of bounds as I did. The other guys- and me- scratched our collective heads and asked, "Where did you find that rule?" Regardless, I didn't travel. I promise!! mhowerton 1
Jerry Rapp Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Couple of the guys I play with pulled out a rule I'd never heard of... you can take that 1.5 step when shooting (layup) but not on a pass or saving the ball out of bounds as I did. The other guys- and me- scratched our collective heads and asked, "Where did you find that rule?" Regardless, I didn't travel. I promise!! regardless, you are still walking "around" . Phil Lilley 1
MOPanfisher Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 As my old departed coach used to say, "don't matter if you did or didnt, if the ref called you for it you did it". He would argue with the ref but didn't tolerate players arguing. So take them fishing, wait until they catch a nice fish then make up a regulation and demand they release it.
joeD Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 What kind of di**head calls travelling in a friendly huff and puff pick up basketball game? Good grief. Anything less than 4 steps is fine. Play on. That wanker probably calls fouls underneath the basket too. Lancer09 1
Root Admin Phil Lilley Posted June 13, 2015 Author Root Admin Posted June 13, 2015 It was a tightly contested game and there was a lot of money riding on it. We play to 11 and it was 10-10.
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