MSD warns public to avoid part of Meramec River

[Haris122]

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the Grand Glaize plant which is adjacent to Simpson lake has a pipe that feeds in direct south of the plant into the river and that water was treated and fine.....The pipe that feeds in just below old route 30 bridge just south of Denny Dennis is pumping in a putred and  horrible mess, I wouldn't use George Winter or anything from hwy 30 down stream  

I guess that would explain why the water at Unger Park a few days ago didn't look too bad. So I can't tell, are you and hogwally just bs-ing about the water quality below hwy 30, or do you actually mean it.

[Hog Wally]

6 hours ago, Haris122 said:

I guess that would explain why the water at Unger Park a few days ago didn't look too bad. So I can't tell, are you and hogwally just bs-ing about the water quality below hwy 30, or do you actually mean it.

Go to the gravois bridge and look downstream!  It was on the news again last night also.  They didn't show it going into the river though. If they did I think more people would be freaking out.  I can't see how the walleye,whites, and spoonbill that make their spawning runs up the meramec will come through that wall of muck   Will this be a long term fishery issue ???

[mjk86]

28 minutes ago, Hog Wally said:

Go to the gravois bridge and look downstream!  It was on the news again last night also.  They didn't show it going into the river though. If they did I think more people would be freaking out.  I can't see how the walleye,whites, and spoonbill that make their spawning runs up the meramec will come through that wall of muck   Will this be a long term fishery issue ???

I wondered the same thing, also what about the resident fish in that area, did they all go upstream? or find relatively cleaner pockets or creeks?  Id assume that they are tolerant to to some extant, but this is excessive.  I guess only time will tell.

[SpoonDog]

Most sewage treatment plants don't remove all the nutrients like nitrogen or phosphorous, they don't remove hormones, they don't remove salts, they don't remove chemicals.  The only thing entering the Meramec right now that wasn't entering the river two months ago is the physical poop, the tampons, the baby wipes, the flushed goldfish.  Those things contribute to low dissolved oxygen when the water gets still and hot, but it isn't a long-term threat to the watershed like Times Beach or Bonne Terre. 

[mjk86]

50 minutes ago, SpoonDog said:

Most sewage treatment plants don't remove all the nutrients like nitrogen or phosphorous, they don't remove hormones, they don't remove salts, they don't remove chemicals.  The only thing entering the Meramec right now that wasn't entering the river two months ago is the physical poop, the tampons, the baby wipes, the flushed goldfish.  Those things contribute to low dissolved oxygen when the water gets still and hot, but it isn't a long-term threat to the watershed like Times Beach or Bonne Terre. 

Hmm, i didnt even consider that.  Good point thanks.  So you think resident fish just hunker down and deal?  It still is a pretty solid amount physical poop being dumped into the river, which would normally be consumed at the treatment plant, and for a consistently long period of time. 

[SpoonDog]

I mean it's gross and needs to be fixed, I'm not trying to defend MSD.  I think the fish, if they get stressed, will move upstream above the poop plume, or downstream into the Mississippi, or up into the Big or towards the mouths of feeder creeks.  It may screw up the spawn for white bass and walleye this spring, it may give asian carp a teensy little boost through increased plankton production, but I'm not sure there will be any long-term negative impacts.  It's basically just a four month return to how we treated sewage in the 1950's, and folks were still catching fish out of the Meramec back then.

[Hog Wally]

I guess I could do a experiment and lift the lid on my septic tank and throw some fish in there and see if they live ?  

[Smalliebigs]

yeah I didn't fish the river in the 50's and I'm not sure how old you are???....but, I highly doubt water like this was pumped into the river, it's a very sad deal

[Chief Grey Bear]

I saw this today and thought it would fit here. 

It may not be funny to one or two particular individuals. 

[Smalliebigs]

hahahahahaha.....watch it Tom Foolery :). I just think it's very sad to see that many thousands of gallons of shiot and rubbers and toilet paper pumped into the river......it's friggin nasty.

 

    I don't eat the fish anyway, so the keeping of fish is a non issue for me......I haven't cleaned a fish in over 20 years but, my uncle and dad made me clean all of their catches for years......I used to be a real master of filleting.