Needing help with a ned rig problem

[akaslyguy]

Thanks guys for all the insight and discussion.  I appreciate it and have enjoyed hearing the different opinions and ideas.  Different things work for different people and I love to hear what works for others.  Learn something new all the time!!

[dblades]

10 hours ago, dtrs5kprs said:

6# is soooo much better for it. Way more bites. 8# will actually twist worse.

I've been using a lot of 7lb Sunline as a compromise. 

[GNSfishing]

17 hours ago, *T* said:

Well, every turn of the handle on a normal retrieve puts  twist in the line.  And if the handle is for reeling in fish, not for shutting the bail, why does every manufacturer make their reels to operate in the manner that if you turn the handle, the bail closes.  Reels could be made so they won't close the bail. 

Closing the bail by hand does not really make much of difference. Think that is kind of a myth.  If folks get into that habit it's not a bad thing.   It may or may not make any difference.  Kinda depends on the position of the bail when you flip it over by hand, and if the position its in still puts a twist in it.

If I'm totally wrong, someone should edumacate me on this with some specifics 'cause I don't see it. 

I agree with closing the bail either by hand or handle doesn't make difference as far as line twist it's going to twist either way. You may catch a loop and prevent a mess on the next cast by closing the bail by hand. If you want to prevent the curly loops that forms in mono and fluorocarbon line change to either Nanofil or braid line, these lines twist also but they don't curl so the line looping is greatly reduced coming off the spool. Line twist is a factor that occurs with spinning reels and spincast reels due to their design on wrapping the line back on the spool. One of the benefit of these 2 lines is the small diameter as compared to  mono or fluorocarbon and whether you use a leader or not, tied using an albright knot may or not affect getting bit, I've seen it work both ways, I personally use an fluorocarbon leader. I think that line diameter is the main difference, the larger diameter is easier seen whether it's in the water or not, profile is the key.     

[Bigmo]

Dave, you're right on the 6lb. I put some on a lews baitcaster and my bites almost tripled on the little guy. No more spinning reel for me. 

[Ham]

18 minutes ago, Bigmo said:

No more spinning reel for me. 

What just happened?

[Champ188]

11 minutes ago, Ham said:

What just happened?

I'm lost.

[Unimog]

On April 27, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Bigmo said:

Dave, you're right on the 6lb. I put some on a lews baitcaster and my bites almost tripled on the little guy. No more spinning reel for me. 

I definitely need to try downsizing my line further on my finesse baitcast combos.  Just have a phobia about breaking off!

[rps]

35 minutes ago, Unimog said:

I definitely need to try downsizing my line further on my finesse baitcast combos.  Just have a phobia about breaking off!

When I set the drag, and check it every trip, I don't break off unless the fish takes the bait into brush or a dock cable. It happens, but not often. Maybe three times in the last four years.

[mixermarkb]

I guess I just don't mind spinning tackle for the little stuff. Finesse baitcasting doesn't seem like anything I'd be interested in. I like the way line peels directly off the reel on a spinner for a faster lure fall, and even more than that, when I pick up an egg beater, it sort of mentally flips a switch and makes me think "finesse" vs. the baitcasting gear.

Having good gear and good line helps, as well as the line managment techniques that have been discussed here. It's also a fine line between having a spinning reel too full of line to where it "springs" off the spool, and having too little line and shorter casts due to the like dragging on the spool lip. IMHO though, learning all the tricks to trouble free spinning gear use is as vital as learning to cast a baitcasting reel without backlash. Here in the Ozarks, it's my opinion we just need both.

[dtrs5kprs]

1 hour ago, mixermarkb said:

I guess I just don't mind spinning tackle for the little stuff. Finesse baitcasting doesn't seem like anything I'd be interested in. I like the way line peels directly off the reel on a spinner for a faster lure fall, and even more than that, when I pick up an egg beater, it sort of mentally flips a switch and makes me think "finesse" vs. the baitcasting gear.

Having good gear and good line helps, as well as the line managment techniques that have been discussed here. It's also a fine line between having a spinning reel too full of line to where it "springs" off the spool, and having too little line and shorter casts due to the like dragging on the spool lip. IMHO though, learning all the tricks to trouble free spinning gear use is as vital as learning to cast a baitcasting reel without backlash. Here in the Ozarks, it's my opinion we just need both.

This is solid folks. 

RPS was spot on too about how not to break fish off. Doesn't matter if it's baitcasters, twirly reels, or an old Zebco 33. Check your line, change your line, re-tie, set your drag right, and go easy on them. 

I broke maybe 5 fish off over 15 days of hard fishing, almost exclusively with 6# fluoro. Every one was either in a cable, on my own stupid boat, ormy fault for not re-tying.