UK Strain Carp

[Quillback]

9 minutes ago, Norm M said:

 They were bred for the table, less scales for easier cleaning and deeper sides for more meat to bone ratio and a guy gets beat up for eating one , how ironic . 

True that. 

[MoCarp]

8 hours ago, MOPanfisher said:

I would hate to get beat up over a carp.  Be a shameful stain on my life, sort of like the time a tore a muscle beating a possum to death on my porch late one night. 

The fish, if you look at the link I provided are individuals that are known, it takes great skill to get one to take and to land that fish, one of the toughest forms I fishing I have ever tried, I have caught trophy browns /bows, bass, muskies, pike, walleyes far more than my share, and nothing has been more difficult to master.....prob why I do it..to land one of the bigs places you in a very small club..even fame and fortune..that is coming here....like it or not..it would be like a newly american putting a knife to a 17 pound bass in lake fork...I bet he might get a woopen too, lord help you get caught tossing a muskie in the bushes

7 hours ago, Norm M said:

 They were bred for the table, less scales for easier cleaning and deeper sides for more meat to bone ratio and a guy gets beat up for eating one , how ironic . 

yep....

[oneshot]

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Are them Mirror Carp? If they are I thought they was already here. Over in Europe they are so much different here.

Here I just use a Dough Bait on a Treble Hook. Catch Common Carp regular and they will put up a fight that will put any Bass to shame.

If I wasn't Meat Fishing I could use this same method and release most fish and they would do ok because they don't swallow the hook.

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[MoCarp]

We have some mirrors here, its a recessive trait, throw backs to the original fish stocked way back in the 1870's...we have bluegills here too but they sure are not coppernose strain, our wild "feral" bluegills almost never get over 8-10 " coppernose regularly get bigger, something about reaching breeding age later, State stocked coppernose gills in Stockton in the 90's, size of gills went way up ever since.........perhaps thats what goes on in this strain of carp..spending more growth before they spend annual time growing naughty bits, or less on naughty bits, I have read that they produce 1/2 the eggs as our wild feral carp

[oneshot]

I was thinking with some on here they do not get MoCarp.

Most people now days catch Bass and turn them Back they would never eat them but spend Thousands if not Millions to fish all the time for this Fish. And several will put down anyone keeping 6 and taking them Home cooking them up.

MoCarp using specialized European Style fishing for Carp still has considerable amount of money tied up into fishing for Carp. And if people eat Carp it is a Bad no,no.

The main difference is the money is not there for Carp because of this BIG LABEL TRASH.

But think about this, Carp fishing, you set on the Bank, you Read or Take a Nap, when your Bite Alarm goes off most the time you will have 5X the fight you would ever have with a Bass. You don't have the money invested in Lures and Boats. You can do this several times a day. Think about this am I missing something?

Me I'm not so fancy, I use my Medium Action Rod and Reels, 12# Test Line, 4 or 6 Treble Hook and a Dough Bait I mix up. Carp will work my Drag. Ok I can do the same with Catfish just not as fast or regular as Carp but I have better meat to eat.

With these Larger Carp I may not fish for them but like Bass, Hybrid Bass, Trout and Musky. They are still there and are a special catch just bad some put such a negative Label on them.

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[Norm M]

 Snook are carp with a better PR agent is what a friend of mine who guided for snook told me . 

 

 MoCarp feel free to use that if you want . 

[MoCarp]

[Al Agnew]

Many years ago I produced the artwork for a carp t-shirt with a mirror carp and regularly scaled carp, but both with that extremely thick body shape.  It was marketed in the UK and sold a lot of shirts.  They had sent me some fishing magazines from the UK showing pictures of those carp, as well as articles on carp fishing.  It is a highly specialized type of fishing, with its own equipment unlike anything we normally use in this country.  There were pictures of several of those huge carp having been caught, with captions something like:  "Old Nan was caught for the third time this year on such and such bait by so and so.  She appeared to be quite healthy, and had gained weight since the last time she was caught.  She was released immediately after the picture was taken."

The magazines were aimed toward the "common" angler...the elite anglers in the UK fish for trout and Atlantic salmon, which is a very expensive undertaking and highly limited as to the number of anglers allowed to fish in many places.  There were articles about tournaments as well.  The fish they were catching in the tournaments mostly looked like big, fat minnows, with a highly prized tournament fish being a REALLY big "minnow" that might weigh a couple of pounds.  And the tournaments were set up to where each angler drew a "station" along the shore of the lake being fished, and they could only fish in that spot.  Basically anything they caught counted toward their tournament points, and again, there were all kinds of specialized rods, reels, and terminal tackle used.  An article in one of the magazines said that, at that time, Shimano sold more dollars' worth of tackle in the UK than in the U.S.

[oneshot]

Ok my Grandson spent couple days with me fishing one day I told him lets try this, Within an hour he was Hooked.

 

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[MoCarp]

2 hours ago, Al Agnew said:

Many years ago I produced the artwork for a carp t-shirt with a mirror carp and regularly scaled carp, but both with that extremely thick body shape.  It was marketed in the UK and sold a lot of shirts.  They had sent me some fishing magazines from the UK showing pictures of those carp, as well as articles on carp fishing.  It is a highly specialized type of fishing, with its own equipment unlike anything we normally use in this country.  There were pictures of several of those huge carp having been caught, with captions something like:  "Old Nan was caught for the third time this year on such and such bait by so and so.  She appeared to be quite healthy, and had gained weight since the last time she was caught.  She was released immediately after the picture was taken."

The magazines were aimed toward the "common" angler...the elite anglers in the UK fish for trout and Atlantic salmon, which is a very expensive undertaking and highly limited as to the number of anglers allowed to fish in many places.  There were articles about tournaments as well.  The fish they were catching in the tournaments mostly looked like big, fat minnows, with a highly prized tournament fish being a REALLY big "minnow" that might weigh a couple of pounds.  And the tournaments were set up to where each angler drew a "station" along the shore of the lake being fished, and they could only fish in that spot.  Basically anything they caught counted toward their tournament points, and again, there were all kinds of specialized rods, reels, and terminal tackle used.  An article in one of the magazines said that, at that time, Shimano sold more dollars' worth of tackle in the UK than in the U.S.

In the UK, and Europe in General... fishing is a paying privilege....  better waters, at least better managed ones,.. cost more regardless of species. They use a voucher system typically for trout from what I can tell, people bid on places to fish anywhere from 30-80 bucks US to get a "day ticket" Trout, Pike, Zander, have similar paying venues.... Match fishermen using long poles catch rudd, tench, bream, barble,... on average small fish in oz not in pounds fishing tourneys not unlike bass tourneys here.........Trout, world wide are typically up scale, Largemouth bass could be considered  "working mans fishing"  equivalent here in the USA, more people fish per capita in the UK than here in the USA...

Ironically trout are commonly caught to eat more than any other species in England

Carp

http://www.gigantica-carp.com/info/prices <---France but one of the better run waters (fish to close to 90#)

http://www.linear-fisheries.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=main.prices  <---cheapest I found only fish to 30#

Trout

http://www.fishingthewest.co.uk/?page_id=276

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTGYvE1DxKY