Troubles at Mizzou

[joeD]

I get the tough love and bootstrap ideology. There is merit to it.

It is not for everyone however.

When our children and grandchildren become seriously ill or diseased, it will be dedicated doctors and researchers who have gone through years of rigorous higher education that will save their lives.  The monetary cost of their (doctors) education will be immaterial to grateful parents. 

 

 

[Mitch f]

25 minutes ago, joeD said:

I get the tough love and bootstrap ideology. There is merit to it.

It is not for everyone however.

When our children and grandchildren become seriously ill or diseased, it will be dedicated doctors and researchers who have gone through years of rigorous higher education that will save their lives.  The monetary cost of their (doctors) education will be immaterial to grateful parents. 

 

 

Of course Sciences are a completely different scenario 

 

[joeD]

[ozark trout fisher]

On 9/7/2017 at 1:22 AM, fishinwrench said:

College should be reserved for hands on training.... surgeons and metallurgy, and not "book learning".  Hell what can you learn in college that can't be learned on your own as long as you have a computer, a credit card, and the motivation to succeed?

That piece of paper is nothing more than an attendance certificate and a receipt.

No.

Many people go to college and are directionless and get little/nothing out of it. True. Some also take it seriously, know what they want, use the infrastructure of a state university to get kickass summer jobs/experience, and get a decent approximation of their dream job coming out, which, well, you, know requires the training described on that piece of paper. I also am a better, more well rounded, ideologically diverse thinker, for the experience. I value all of that and would be a lesser version of myself without it.

What is that saying about "getting out of it what you put into it"? Seems relevant.

[ozark trout fisher]

On 9/7/2017 at 1:22 AM, fishinwrench said:

College should be reserved for hands on training.... surgeons and metallurgy, and not "book learning".  Hell what can you learn in college that can't be learned on your own as long as you have a computer, a credit card, and the motivation to succeed?

That piece of paper is nothing more than an attendance certificate and a receipt.

Double post

[Mitch f]

I get all of that, but It's an over priced racket. As I said before, Not much bang for the buck. 

We hired a tutor for our sophomore to help her be prepared for admission to top schools (I won't tell you what this costs) The testing and essay writing involved in this preparation seems a little disingenuous. Like when you're reading a job application that seems too good to be true. But it has to be done I guess.

[Flysmallie]

55 minutes ago, Mitch f said:

We hired a tutor for our sophomore to help her be prepared for admission to top schools (I won't tell you what this costs) 

 

I have some very good friends that have done this with their oldest daughter. My middle and their oldest have been friends since kindergarten. They have pushed her to always be the best. She was always in the all the honors classes, wasn't allowed to just blow her time like the other kids, took the ACT 6 times. It all worked out in the end though I guess. She has a full ride on academics. 

Never seen an unhappier kid though that really has no idea where she's going or what she's doing. That's what happens when all decisions are made and you never get the chance to struggle a bit. I don't think that family is going to see the success that they are expecting. 

Not saying this is what is going to happen to your kid Mitch but you have to be careful. This isn't the only kid that I have watched this happen to. 

[Mitch f]

1 minute ago, Flysmallie said:

 

I have some very good friends that have done this with their oldest daughter. My middle and their oldest have been friends since kindergarten. They have pushed her to always be the best. She was always in the all the honors classes, wasn't allowed to just blow her time like the other kids, took the ACT 6 times. It all worked out in the end though I guess. She has a full ride on academics. 

Never seen an unhappier kid though that really has no idea where she's going or what she's doing. That's what happens when all decisions are made and you never get the chance to struggle a bit. I don't think that family is going to see the success that they are expecting. 

Not saying this is what is going to happen to your kid Mitch but you have to be careful. This isn't the only kid that I have watched this happen to. 

 It's a Chinese thing, the tutor is Chinese as well a professor from Washington U 

[ozark trout fisher]

2 hours ago, Mitch f said:

I get all of that, but It's an over priced racket. As I said before, Not much bang for the buck. 

We hired a tutor for our sophomore to help her be prepared for admission to top schools (I won't tell you what this costs) The testing and essay writing involved in this preparation seems a little disingenuous. Like when you're reading a job application that seems too good to be true. But it has to be done I guess.

College is generally overpriced. I agree there. The reasons behind that veer heavily into the political realm so I'll not go there now.

[bfishn]

3 hours ago, ozark trout fisher said:

 

...I also am a better, more well rounded, ideologically diverse thinker, for the experience. I value all of that and would be a lesser version of myself without it...

That exact same statement can be (and has been) made about one $10 dose of LSD. Like college though, it's not recommended for everyone.