No more hooten to mudbank

[Devan S.]

13 minutes ago, tjm said:

Think the state could exercise eminent domain to make all streams state property and give up all that tax money? How many millions of acres of stream channel do you reckon  there is high water to high water on all the water ways in the state? how much per acre are taxes on average farmland?  could the school system afford that loss of revenue, or would the next step be to raise taxes? 

I'd vote for that in a heart beat. Vote for a sales tax to off set it too.

I think the state one way or another could give up the tax base without much issue. 

However put yourself in the landowners position......remember 99.9% of the people on this forum are likely stand up individuals. They pick up trash, respect a decent property line, respect any personal property near the river, so on and so forth, without any problem. The problem is that this forum is likely not indicative of the normal population.   The clowns that trash your property or steal from you or whatever. What do you do about them? At the end of the day I'm with you I want more access but most aren't like me, you, and the rest of the forum.

That's exactly why most people say I pack more trash out then I pack in. 

[tjm]

8 minutes ago, Devan S. said:

However put yourself in the landowners position..

My point was that the state become the 'landowner, complete with fences to keep the river people in the river land and off the farmer's land. I think many landowners would like the tax relief, but maybe not if the state didn't build the fences tweeker proof.

[RSBreth]

It's true and sad - we respect the owners, the land, and the river itself. Others DO NOT and will be the bad apple that spoils the bunch.

 

[Terrierman]

There are few places to access the Finley in Christian County.  Partiers, Sheriff who won't do the job to control them and County Commission who folds and puts up no parking signs for a half mile on both sides of the road in both directions from nearly every bridge.

[awhuber]

49 minutes ago, Terrierman said:

There are few places to access the Finley in Christian County.  Partiers, Sheriff who won't do the job to control them and County Commission who folds and puts up no parking signs for a half mile on both sides of the road in both directions from nearly every bridge.

County roads in rural Counties are privately owed with a "right of way". You would be parking on private property that is taxed by the County and paid by the land owner. Your right of way does not give you any rights to park. collect wood, mushroom hunt. You just have the right to travel the road.  I have a spot on a branch of the Meramec in Dent Co. and have to call a lot to keep folks from parking and swimming.

[Terrierman]

5 minutes ago, awhuber said:

County roads in rural Counties are privately owed with a "right of way". You would be parking on private property that is taxed by the County and paid by the land owner. Your right of way does not give you any rights to park. collect wood, mushroom hunt. You just have the right to travel the road.  I have a spot on a branch of the Meramec in Dent Co. and have to call a lot to keep folks from parking and swimming.

Most land is owned to the center of the roads that border it.  Without the no parking signs, people could go to the bridge and drag a boat to or from the river.  My comment stands.  We own the rivers, but we can't access them.  Which stinks to high heaven.  Wasn't that way then and should not be that way today.

 

[awhuber]

2 minutes ago, Terrierman said:

Most land is owned to the center of the roads that border it.

well unless the road cuts through your property like in my case. Either way it is not public it is private and you have no right to park on it.

 

[Terrierman]

3 minutes ago, awhuber said:

well unless the road cuts through your property like in my case. Either way it is not public it is private and you have no right to park on it.

 

What are you supposed to do when your truck breaks down?  Sorry but you are FOS.

[tjm]

6 hours ago, Terrierman said:

We own the rivers, but we can't access them

If you can prove ownership in a court and pay all the taxes, you can access them.  Ownership (deeds) of the local stream is in the farmer's name and the farmer pays the same rate of tax on it as he does on good crop land.

[tjm]

It is not the partiers  or the drugies that create these landowner and boat owner problems.  99 44/100 % of the time when an issue comes up between a godlike boater that thinks he owns what ever he can see and a landowner that pays the taxes, picks up the garbage and repairs the fences, it is the allmighty boatman who is the problem, period. I've lived within walking distance of a low water bridge off and on for over sixty years and I have only seen one instance of the land owner having a dispute with "party people", but I've seen hundreds of  incidents involving boaters (kayak, canoe, jon boat, all can be operated by gizmos) including the inebriated giggers that cut the fence wire, pulled up two steel T posts and backed the boat trailer through the hole and 25 yards across the gravel bar to get it into foot deep water 10 yards wide. Three Deputies showed up just time, I think, to prevent a shooting that day.  Kayakers landing on what is obviously a part of the house lawn and relieving them selves was a regular thing one summer, until the County put up no parking signs and  deputies patrolled a couple times daily. About half the kayaks and canoes have fishing tackle visible and these are usually the trouble makers if there are any, and they almost always have a beverage in a foam cover in hand. fwiw, both the party people and the druggies avoid confrontation that might involve law enforcement- ask them to leave and they do, maybe protesting while they load up but it is very rare  they want to have you call the Sheriff. More than half of the fishermen want trouble. 40-50% are sober, polite and end up having friendly conversation with the landowners. A lot of aliens come there to get supper and they come in groups of many, taking undersized fish and no limit numbers, but I have never seen a group of them leave trash behind or start a fight with the farmer- again they want to avoid law enforcement. 

Gentlemen the Enemy is us, I'm so proud of our fellow anglers.