Got out on the upper Bryant again today

[Johnsfolly]

4 minutes ago, tjm said:

I would like to catch suckers on a fly, on purpose. I do catch a chub now and then but in all the years I've fly fished I only took one real sucker, in high discolored spring time flows on a black marabou streamer. while trout fishing.

I've caught them on marabou jigs and microjigs. Those fish bit the baits and not just got snagged like ones that I have caught throwing jerkbaits for trout in shallow water.

[chucknduck]

33 minutes ago, Johnsfolly said:

It seems to me that the males have the spot and it's more prevalent during the spawn. Yours looks to have some tubercles on his head as well. 

There is another chub species like the hornyhead, the red spot chub, that looks just like the hornyhead that is near @chucknduck found in the southwest Missouri streams on the other side of the White river system. I have caught them in Indian creek a tributary of the Elk river and in the Spring river north of Stott's city MO.

Thanks for the ID fellas. I've been catching lots of them on wooly buggers. Aggressive little fish!

[FishnDave]

Sounds like it could be either, John.  I'm gonna chalk this one up to "I probably would never be able to tell the difference."  ;o)

Descriptions of Hornyhead vs Redspot Chubs from Petersons Field Guide to Freshwater Fish of North American & Mexico:

 

[chucknduck]

4 minutes ago, Johnsfolly said:

I've caught them on marabou jigs and microjigs. Those fish bit the baits and not just got snagged like ones that I have caught throwing jerkbaits for trout in shallow water.

Well now it seems that maybe we should try to figure out how to catch them on flies. I know guys fish for common carp on freshwater "flats" so it seems feasible that we could find a way to get the suckers to bite too.

[Johnsfolly]

37 minutes ago, chucknduck said:

I've been catching lots of them on wooly buggers. Aggressive little fish!

I catch them on natural colored (olive, pumpkin green, brown, etc.) wooly buggers and plastic crappie style jigs like crappie sliders with a chartreuse paddletail. they bite well and are also scrappy fighters for their size.

[Johnsfolly]

40 minutes ago, FishnDave said:

Sounds like it could be either, John.  I'm gonna chalk this one up to "I probably would never be able to tell the difference."  ;o)

Descriptions of Hornyhead vs Redspot Chubs from Petersons Field Guide to Freshwater Fish of North American & Mexico:

 

FishNDave in Southwest MO it seems to me that there are three distinct river systems that influence the species found in the creeks and rivers in that area. North/Northeast flowing rivers and creeks tend to end up in the Missouri river system. South/Southeast flowing creeks are likely part of the White river system at least around Springfield area. I don't consider rivers (e.g., 11 pt, current, etc.) east of the North fork of the white river to be in the southwest portion of the state. South/West/Southwest flowing creeks end up in the Arkansas river system. The Elk and Spring rivers and their tributaries flow west/Southwest. So those creeks have the red spot chub. Bryant creek runs into the North Fork of the white river. So that fish should be a hornyhead chub.

[tjm]

 Inventory of that water shed shows Bigeye chub, Creek chub, Hornyhead chub, Hornyhead chub X Duskystripe shiner

https://mdc.mo.gov/sites/default/files/watersheds/NorthForkWhiteRiverWatershed260.pdf

[FishnDave]

@Johnsfolly

What you are saying only makes sense if Elvis is no longer alive and the Beatles are broken up.

I caught a pretty big Hornyhead Chub earlier this year...on a BLOCKHEAD POPPER!  It flipped out of my hand just as I was getting ready to hit the "take picture" button on my phone camera.  I was SO BUMMED!  It was the biggest one I've ever seen.

[tjm]

Caught this in the Elk drainage a couple months ago.  hand span-guessed at 10"+

[Johnsfolly]

7 minutes ago, tjm said:

Caught this in the Elk drainage a couple months ago.  hand span-guessed at 10"+

Very nice. I would venture to say that this is a red spot chub based upon where you caught it. Here is my most impressive hornyheard chub. Almost 11 inches and just showing his breeding prowess.

My largest red spot from Indian Creek.