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[tjm]

Sage doesn't make anything I'm interested in and hasn't in a long time, maybe when Green still owned it. I think I'd like a McFarland or a Stickman though and they run a little higher than the box store rods.

Who makes a 7' 7wt? or 7' 6wt?

[tjm]

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[fishinwrench]

4 hours ago, tjm said:

Who makes a 7' 7wt? or 7' 6wt?

You, or a custom rod builder could.   But why would you want one?

Guess you could cut a foot off the tip of an 8' 3wt. 😅

[tjm]

51 minutes ago, fishinwrench said:

 But why would you want one?

because it's a bunch easier   to cast 30-45 minutes with a 9' #5 or 4 1/2 hours with 7 1/2' # 7 result in about the same amount of pain. I had quit fishing a few years ago until I bought a yard sale 7' 6" and found out how much easier it is. I don't ever need to cast more than 40'-50' anyway, so why would I need a longer rod? I still give the 9' rods a little play occasionally and always end up done for day pretty quickly. 

[fishinwrench]

1 hour ago, tjm said:

because it's a bunch easier   to cast 30-45 minutes with a 9' #5 or 4 1/2 hours with 7 1/2' # 7 result in about the same amount of pain. I had quit fishing a few years ago until I bought a yard sale 7' 6" and found out how much easier it is. I don't ever need to cast more than 40'-50' anyway, so why would I need a longer rod? I still give the 9' rods a little play occasionally and always end up done for day pretty quickly. 

If you're always knee to waist deep in the water then I'd share that sentiment with you.   

If you're fishing a streamer or a popper from a boat then that loose hanging piece of line between rod tip and water surface is costing you bites.   Lots of them.    Nobody wants to stand hunched over all day.   

[tjm]

no boat but if there was I'd might do it siting  down in which case I'd opt for a longer lighter rod. . I reckon that the deeper you are in the water the more you need rod length just to stay clear of the water.

now in any rod up  position a 9' rod has 2' more slack line than a 7' rod, so I don't follow your logic. unless your are dapping the fly, then reach counts just as in Tenkara or nymphing.  Why are you hunched over?

If you think about levers and how a long lever lets you  lift more than a short lever, you'll see that the long rod gives the line mass greater force against your body with every stroke than a short rod does.  Of course a young guy never thinks about stress and worn out body parts, and there was a time I didn't either.  Try a thing, hold a long broom stick like a fly rod and use the far end to  lift a bucket of scrap or other weight like lifting the line off the water, put the load down;  then hold the broomstick so that only half the length is between you and the loaded bucket, the short stick will strain you less, it will create less torque on your arm/hand/shoulder. It's a cantilever beam problem where the farther the load is from the end support the greater the stress is on the support.

[fishinwrench]

Nah, the thing that gives streamers/clousers, and poppers their killer action is the sudden and complete STOP between strips.   

If your line has to creep forward, even the slightest little bit after a strip (which it will unless your rod tip is very near the surface of the water).....then the number of bites you'll get is cut in half....or even more.   

In order to control that with a shorter rod requires you to stoop over, sit down, or to hold your rod down at an extreme angle that isn't very natural.  Hard to explain in text, but it's a real thing.       I won't even attempt to flyfish from the elevated deck of my bass boat, even with a 9 footer, for this exact reason.

[tjm]

I sure don't follow that creep, but, I don't fish out boats so I wouldn't know. Maybe you can tell me what you do to prevent the creep with the long rod? 

 

[fishinwrench]

20 minutes ago, tjm said:

I sure don't follow that creep, but, I don't fish out boats so I wouldn't know. Maybe you can tell me what you do to prevent the creep with the long rod? 

 

I'll try..... 

If your rod tip is a foot above water, and you strip the line.....What does the line do at the end of the strip ?   

Does it abruptly come to a stop?   No it doesn't.     

It "CREEPS" forward (several feet) until the line is directly vertical to the rod tip.    

With a longer rod, and the tip COMFORTABLY right at the water surface......What does the line do at the end of a strip?   It stops moving forward IMMEDIATELY.    

Might sound like a piddly detail unworthy of consideration to ya, but I promise you'll get spanked if we are fishing from the same boat.  😉

[tjm]

I guess I'm not as tall as you, I have no trouble reaching the water with a 7' rod. I see what you are saying though and I learned from the old guys way back then to keep the rod tip in the water when stripping wets.  I probably don't pause as long as you do when stripping from the sound of it.