Members Conor Posted January 25, 2023 Members Share Posted January 25, 2023 Well, we found Bone Hole with no problems but thought the boreholes with flowing water were interesting. I assume they were just exploratory boreholes from the mining days that were left unplugged and now flow under artesian conditions. We saw several on the banks also one or two right at river level, spewing water like a geyser. There was also a larger diameter casing with an inner and outer casing. The outer casing was likely present to keep the unconsolidated materials from caving into the borehole above the bedrock. Conor Greasy B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trouty mouth Posted January 25, 2023 Members Share Posted January 25, 2023 The boreholes always creep me out. I don't know exactly what it is but they just look so out of place. I like following all of your river explorations and research. I think you're up to some good stuff, Conor. 👍 Greasy B and Daryk Campbell Sr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Conor Posted January 25, 2023 Author Members Share Posted January 25, 2023 Thanks! I always like checking out new sections of river. The Big River is often overlooked because of its pollution and trash but I have found it to be quite enjoyable. I will never eat a fish out of it though! I found out that the boreholes are part of an old mine that has been allowed to flood. Apparently there is a confining layer that allows these to flow like this. The mine must slope/dip uphill from the river, allowing for artesian conditions to exist. Conor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Conor Posted January 25, 2023 Author Members Share Posted January 25, 2023 Many sites about the Meramec River watershed completely ignore the Big and Bourbeuse Rivers. The Big is the largest tributary by volume and I found reference to the Bourbeuse being the 2nd largest. I am not sure about that but maybe the AVERAGE is higher. It seems the Huzzah should be the 2nd biggest, especially down from the confluence of the Courtios. Anyway, these overlooked rivers are quite nice. The Bourbeuse has really grown on me as well. Conor Daryk Campbell Sr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Agnew Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 I explained the bore pipes in your inquiry on Facebook, but will go into it here...Large scale lead mining started in the Lead Belt area around Bonne Terre and Leadwood during the Civil War, and by the turn of the century there were huge excavations of the five main mines. Leadwood and Desloge mines were closest to the river, and there are vast excavated caverns beneath the river in that area. The boreholes were originally exploratory, and several were drilled along the banks of the river, since that was the lowest ground and had the shortest drilling to the potential lead deposits. These boreholes were lined in iron pipes and capped with an iron cap, originally to keep the river OUT of them, as you didn't want water running down them into the mines. Once a mine was excavated, groundwater continually flowed into it and had to be pumped out of it to the surface. Apparently groundwater was close to the surface before the mines; in fact, my grandfather told me of several significant springs that fed the river that gradually stopped flowing as the mines were further excavated. So the springs dried up, but probably most of the water that had previously emerged as springs was now trying to fill the mines and was being pumped out into the river. There was a shaft just above Terre du Lac (it looks a lot like a cave and is gated now) from which a lot of water was pumped up and flowed over a pretty little rocky waterfall into the river at the base of a bluff. When I first started floating the river in the late 1960s this water was still entering the river, along with another large flow just below Terre du Lac at a place that was once a public access called Leadwood Beach. Between the two of them, they probably dumped about 25 cubic feet per second into the river, and in low summer water levels they about doubled the flow of the river. The last of the mines ceased operations in the early 1970s, and they simply stopped pumping that water out. It took about 10 years for the mines to fill with water. And once they did, by that time the iron pipes and especially the caps on those boreholes had rusted away, and it was a perfect conduit for that groundwater, that used to come out in springs, to instead come up the pipes and into the river. The springs had been dry for 50 years or more and had probably been clogged up by that time, so the pipes were an easier path for that water. When the mines stopped pumping water, summer river flows were cut in half, and for that 10 years or so the river in that stretch flowed about half what it had flowed before. But gradually the water started emerging from the boreholes, and brought summer flows up. The river still doesn't flow as much water as it did while the mines were pumping water, though. By the way, that groundwater would probably be pretty clean if it wasn't for the fact that when the mines shut down, they simply left every bit of their equipment, including excavating equipment, down there, where it sits to this day, slowing rusting away and leaking mechanical fluids. FishnDave, trouty mouth, Hawg and 4 others 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Agnew Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Just to add a bit...there is a flow into the river about a mile below Bone Hole that started out as a drill pipe atop a high mud bank on river left. It gushed out of the pipe in the strongest flow of any of them and dropped off the bank and into the river in a little waterfall. As the years have gone by, I started to notice that I could no longer see the pipe on top of that bank, but the water was still flowing. Finally, last year I decided to see what was going on. The water is now coming out of a big pool back away from the bank that looks just like a natural spring. I really wonder if that was one of the original springs, and as the pipe rusted away the flow shifted back into the natural spring conduit. Quillback, Daryk Campbell Sr, trouty mouth and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top_dollar Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 13 hours ago, Al Agnew said: I explained the bore pipes in your inquiry on Facebook, but will go into it here...Large scale lead mining started in the Lead Belt area around Bonne Terre and Leadwood during the Civil War, and by the turn of the century there were huge excavations of the five main mines. Leadwood and Desloge mines were closest to the river, and there are vast excavated caverns beneath the river in that area. The boreholes were originally exploratory, and several were drilled along the banks of the river, since that was the lowest ground and had the shortest drilling to the potential lead deposits. These boreholes were lined in iron pipes and capped with an iron cap, originally to keep the river OUT of them, as you didn't want water running down them into the mines. Once a mine was excavated, groundwater continually flowed into it and had to be pumped out of it to the surface. Apparently groundwater was close to the surface before the mines; in fact, my grandfather told me of several significant springs that fed the river that gradually stopped flowing as the mines were further excavated. So the springs dried up, but probably most of the water that had previously emerged as springs was now trying to fill the mines and was being pumped out into the river. There was a shaft just above Terre du Lac (it looks a lot like a cave and is gated now) from which a lot of water was pumped up and flowed over a pretty little rocky waterfall into the river at the base of a bluff. When I first started floating the river in the late 1960s this water was still entering the river, along with another large flow just below Terre du Lac at a place that was once a public access called Leadwood Beach. Between the two of them, they probably dumped about 25 cubic feet per second into the river, and in low summer water levels they about doubled the flow of the river. The last of the mines ceased operations in the early 1970s, and they simply stopped pumping that water out. It took about 10 years for the mines to fill with water. And once they did, by that time the iron pipes and especially the caps on those boreholes had rusted away, and it was a perfect conduit for that groundwater, that used to come out in springs, to instead come up the pipes and into the river. The springs had been dry for 50 years or more and had probably been clogged up by that time, so the pipes were an easier path for that water. When the mines stopped pumping water, summer river flows were cut in half, and for that 10 years or so the river in that stretch flowed about half what it had flowed before. But gradually the water started emerging from the boreholes, and brought summer flows up. The river still doesn't flow as much water as it did while the mines were pumping water, though. By the way, that groundwater would probably be pretty clean if it wasn't for the fact that when the mines shut down, they simply left every bit of their equipment, including excavating equipment, down there, where it sits to this day, slowing rusting away and leaking mechanical fluids. This is fascinating. Thanks for the write up. I'm sure you've done this, but if you do the Bonne Terre mines tour, you can actually see all of the old excavating equipment flooded about 100 feet down. Daryk Campbell Sr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Conor Posted January 29, 2023 Author Members Share Posted January 29, 2023 Thanks. This is all great info. I am amazed it took 10 years for the mines to fill but as you mention, they are HUGE. I saw several places were streams of water were pouring over the banks and wonder if there are pipes back there or springs that again started flowing once the mine filled. I think they still leave most equipment behind in mines but hopefully at least drain the fluids before doing so. I am also guessing that some of the far upper stretches of the Big River might not be impacted by lead. Is this correct or not? I am guessing somewhere below Mounts to Leadwood is where the impact from tailings and such starts. Apparently it gets really bad below Bone Hole on one of the sections I have yet to you. Your description of that area to St. Fran State Park isn't the most flattering but I still want to see it. Thanks again, Conor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Conor Posted January 31, 2023 Author Members Share Posted January 31, 2023 Someone interested in this subscribed to the online version of the newspaper for this area. There was an article in there saying these open boreholes should be capped. plugged, or grouted shut by 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Conor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Agnew Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Conor said: Someone interested in this subscribed to the online version of the newspaper for this area. There was an article in there saying these open boreholes should be capped. plugged, or grouted shut by 2021. Obviously that didn't happen. Conor On 1/29/2023 at 9:55 AM, Conor said: Thanks. This is all great info. I am amazed it took 10 years for the mines to fill but as you mention, they are HUGE. I saw several places were streams of water were pouring over the banks and wonder if there are pipes back there or springs that again started flowing once the mine filled. I think they still leave most equipment behind in mines but hopefully at least drain the fluids before doing so. I am also guessing that some of the far upper stretches of the Big River might not be impacted by lead. Is this correct or not? I am guessing somewhere below Mounts to Leadwood is where the impact from tailings and such starts. Apparently it gets really bad below Bone Hole on one of the sections I have yet to you. Your description of that area to St. Fran State Park isn't the most flattering but I still want to see it. Thanks again, Conor There is a creek that comes into the river about a quarter mile above the Leadwood Access--it's right where the river divides and bends sharply to the left against the last bluff (on river right) above the low water bridge. That is where the runoff from the farthest upstream mine tailings (the Leadwood Mine) comes in. So from Leadwood Access to Bone Hole there is a significant amount of tailings on the bottom, but not enough to fill in the pools much. Bone Hole is the beginning of the five mile bend--only a half mile across the neck of it there--where the Desloge Mine's tailings once filled the entire inside of the bend, and continually eroded into the river. The farther you went around that bend, the worse the tailings in the river were. By the time you completed the bend, the bottom consisted of 90% tailings. At the downstream end of the bend now, you'll come to a 75 ft. high slope covered in rip rap, with a couple bluff outcrops sticking out of the rip rap. That was once a slope of mine tailings that covered even most of those bluff outcrops, and came right down to the river. The tailings were partially excavated there as part of the Superfund cleanup and then stabilized with the rip rap. The photo I've attached is an old photo of those tailings the way they used to be. The tailings were bad enough, but the county was stupid enough to buy most of the inside of the bend from the lead company and make it their county landfill, without worrying about how stable the flimsy little dikes holding back most of the tailings. Eventually the dikes gave way and not only dumped 50,000 cubic yards of tailings into the river all at once, but also the trash and garbage that the county had buried in the tailings. This happened in 1977, and it was a mess. Farther downstream, Flat River Creek comes in (about a half mile below the 67 bridges north of Desloge). The tailings from the two biggest mines, the National and Federal mines surrounding Flat River (Now Park Hills), flowed down Flat River Creek to the river, and from there to St. Francois Park is the worst section of tailings. There was a time when the bottom was little better than a concrete channel, the tailings packed on the bottom, the gravel bars mostly tailings. And the tailings are almost sterile, so nothing grew on the bars and only that nasty algae grew on the bottom. The river is actually in much better shape now. The bottom still has a lot of tailings, but some of the pools are deeper and the habitat is somewhat better than it was for a long time. The nasty algae is still a problem in mid to late summer, and there is plenty of development along the river that wasn't there before, but it's not bad floating...except for the Newberry Riffle about a half mile below Flat River Creek. The EPA and Corps of Engineers decided to try something to remove some of the tailings...they built what amounts to a dam, but instead of a single dam wall, it's a stairstep rapid of big boulders piled up in four distinct steps. The idea was to form a slack water pool above the "riffle" where tailings would settle (the tailings are the consistency of fine sand and small gravel) and be periodically dredged out. The "riffle" was supposed to be shaped so that it could be floated over in normal water flows, thus not impeding floaters. But a huge flood right after it was built kinda jumbled up the boulders and made it very difficult to float. If the water is low you have to clamber down the rocks dragging your boat, and if it's up a little it's basically impossible to float and even more difficult to drag over or around. If it's up more than that, it makes a serious whitewater rapid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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