Single Hook Only - above Fall Creek

[tjm]

Single hooks would include treble hooks.

Single hook means one hook it does not limit the number of points. Currently in "pole and line" fishing we are allowed three hooks and that can be as many points as you want, actually it may even be more than three hooks because the definition of "hook" says " A multiple-pronged hook or two (2) or more hooks employed to hold a single bait, shall be considered a single hook in counting the allowable total in use."

However with flies we can only use single point hooks, so I'm fine with extending that rule to lures and baits. You could then have three single point hooks per lure or three lures each with a single point.

And science had nothing to do with restricting flies to single point hooks either. Very few fish and game regulations have scientific foundations.

[Ryan Miloshewski]

16 minutes ago, tjm said:

Very few fish and game regulations have scientific foundations.

Literally of them start with scientific foundation. The goal being the preservation and conservation of a fishery.

[netboy]

Another question on the subject...

Does MDC currently require barbless hooking points in the Taneycomo Special Regulation area? 

[tjm]

13 minutes ago, Ryan Miloshewski said:

Literally of them start with scientific foundation. The goal being the preservation and conservation of a fishery.

What science justifies single point hooks on flies and trebles on literally any thing else?

 

2 hours ago, Ryan Miloshewski said:

It would have no scientific backing. Every study you read, from the 1970s to now, says there is no difference in mortality between single hooks and treble hooks.

Most regulations start with someone's desire and find science to justify it.

[Ryan Miloshewski]

14 minutes ago, netboy said:

Another question on the subject...

Does MDC currently require barbless hooking points in the Taneycomo Special Regulation area? 

They do not. With the vast majority of trout not being able to spawn successfully, it'll likely never be that way, nor will they shut down during November-February timeframe. I wish they would when the DO levels tank each fall.

[Ryan Miloshewski]

14 minutes ago, tjm said:

Most regulations start with someone's desire and find science to justify it.

Now that, I agree with. Correct or not, that can be the case--like the single point vs treble hook debate. I'm just saying 99% of regulations on a lake/river/stream have roots in science (whether that's, like you stated, falling back into "science," or a solid base like, say, creel limits). 

[Brian K. Shaffer]

[tjm]

I don't think the science supports barbless hooks over barbed hooks either, and that has been studied a bunch. I do "debarb" most (there's always 1 or 2 that slip by) hooks when tying flies, but I would not bet that all or even most of the hooks with mashed down barbs would pass a stocking or cotton ball test. Nearly all hooks that I've mashed or broken barbs on required filing to insure they wouldn't grab a fiber.

Several summaries of studies that I've seen on barbed vs barbless all say "no statistically significant differences in hooking mortality"

 

[netboy]

I started using nothing but barbless hooks many years ago after getting a few barbed hooks buried in my hand. 

[Tom C]

4 hours ago, Brian K. Shaffer said:

The discussions are happening now.

Just wondering who is doing "the discussions"?  Any reference from the MDC they may change the rules?  I couldn't find any notice on the MDC site for Wildlife Code-Proposed Regulation Change, nor in the Missouri Register.  

Thanks!