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so it appears that down to about 25m/75' color is not going to make lot of difference as far as being seen. So since all cats are gray in the dark ... just count on contrast, as I have found in practice. As it happens my creek is <20' in deepest place I've found.

I was flooded in, got out Sunday evening; ground so saturated that the wet weather springs were pumping water out after only 1" of rain, usually takes 2.5" or more. I never know what to expect a Capps, they have rain when I don't have and vice versa and no river gauge in the area to check, so it's always a go and see affair.

I suspect some results would vary with water depth and clarity, it might be an advantage in 30' of water and a disadvantage in 3' of water. And since I can't see it, I have no proof that the stuff is what they say it is. Does the UV light penetrate deeper in the water column than all other light?

I would have come up and helped y'all but the 1.5" was enough to flood this area. (and I don't do wind iffn I can help it)

Silly not letting felons have guns, that's like taking away a Dr.'s stethoscope or a mechanics wench, how is he supposed to make a living? and then we complain that the gun deprived felons get on welfare. Take away anyone's tools, what can we expect? Anyhow fwiw, in Mo. it's legal to kill fur-bearers (cats) during deer season with a Small Game Permit; so no need to lie. Although the cat being big enough to target man or deer is way out there, it is rare for a bob cat to exceed ~40#, a big cat is ~30#; they like to eat birds, bunnies, rodents and chickens, might take fawns or sheep if the opportunity was there. Most cats act just like Tabby does, not particularly afraid and not especially aggressive. It is against the law in Mo. to keep pet deer or any pet wildlife.

I think age 25 is about where the annual and lifetime start to converge and if you skip migratory birds a few years or don't squirrel hunt a few years the annual could end up a savings. iirc, though the cost of the lifetime permits was a lot cheaper 10-20 years ago? it seems there was a bigger difference years ago.

I've been there twice and both were too rushed, 2 days in the park the first time was just a drive by basically and the week only allowed a few hours of fishing. Priority of seeing the park or fishing would be the alternative of extended time. But maybe you can look faster than we did.

Schedule the trip to take at least a whole month. Less time than that and will have to skip 80% of the fishing and most of the interesting sights.

I learned that "bait" thing here.

See, I'm not intimate enough with those fly things as to name them, just bits of feather and such wrapped up on a hook. Don't copy many patterns and chance are don't have another like it.

Sometimes if I'm doing well at RR a guy will ask what I'm using, which I show and get the comment "I never saw anything like that before" or "what's that called?" I just shrug and say "bait"

My most frequent ties for trout would be called variants, palmers, and wingless wets, I guess. I did tie some Adams 2-3 years ago that were true to pattern. Bass get mostly modified gurglers, pig boats and sort of buggers. I only get on the water about 40-50 days a year anymore and a single tying session will usually catch up most of the loss. If you'd asked me back in the early '80's when I was tying two-three times a week and fishing almost every day the list would have been a lot more specific and longer. laker 67, I believe suggestive is as good or better than imitative and they tie up a lot faster. Hence the variants.

Use stronger tippets and you won't have to tie all the time. Twenty years go by faster than you think and if you tied two dozen hare's ear wets twenty years ago you literally could have fished them frequently (all the time) and still have one or two left, depending on how you fished them- it's been a while since I swung wets, but as I recall it's a method that doesn't get the fly hung up in trees or grass. I don't know Kelly G but if he is like most he may only swing wets once or twice a year, so his statement isn't totally incongruent.

I expect with the permits I've bought over the years and the ones I didn''t buy some years because life got in the way that if I had bought one at 30 it would have been about a break even deal. Although if I'd had the permit I might have slipped in another hunt or two. I'd recommend it to a young person. I would have bought it on more than one occasion except they left out trapping and if I have drive to town to get one permit I may as well get them all. I think looking back that I'd have bought some for the kids when they were young too except for that one shortcoming.

Another one tryin to drag in facts, we don't need no stinkin facts; this is the internet!!! I'm sure that somewhere there is a directive stating how every predictable circumstance is to be handled, probably dating to the initial planing stages of each lake, and that directive may have been changed through the years as the reality of some of those scenarios came to be and the actions of the plan either was successful or wanted improvement. In any of these "flood control" impoundments the key to management is at the end of the flow, I guess that means in this case the Mississippi River Delta and every body upstream from that end goal just has to adjust. I have noticed over many years that most people don't think about how stupid the engineers are when they are speeding down an engineered freeway in an engineered vehicle or talking on an engineered cell phone. I reckon this forum wouldn't exist without the work of hundreds of engineers.

40'? That's more than I would have guessed possible. Is this flooding much land that is not USACE owned?

Why do you think it should not?

It doesn't say that in the Code though, the website is often half wrong and has notations that it is not official. https://www.sos.mo.gov/adrules/csr/current/3csr/3csr.asp https://www.sos.mo.gov/cmsimages/adrules/csr/current/3csr/3c10-5.pdf >>edit actually it does not say that on the website either; in the screen shot above- " This permit carries the same privileges as the Resident Hunting and Fishing Permit, Trout Permit, Migratory Bird Hunting Permit and Conservation Order Permit. Deer and turkey hunting privileges are not included. A Federal Duck Stamp is required for hunting waterfowl. "

Calculations ain't got nothin to do with this, haven't you been payin attention? We don't believe in no calculations, engineers, arkytecks nor none of that kind of thing. What ya trying to do here, drag facts in to a good argument? This all about how rotten the Army is and just who bribed 'em. I thinkin it was the grid goons wanting to make more free electricity, he thinks it's the pro anglers, wrench don't care as long as we jab the college edercated fools. I can emphasize, the water in the Elk drainage has been way too high for way too long too, and I'm bettin the goons that control Grand Lake o' the Cherokees are some how responsible.

A 2" rain here on dry ground won't cause any runoff, but a 2" rain on saturated ground will all run off causing major flooding. But the floods never reach the hill tops. I see what you are saying though, Table Rock is home to more big $$$ fishing contests than the other two Lakes and it just automatically follows that the tourney sponsors have bribed someone in the army or the power group to keep TR at optimal Tourney levels. So here's an idea set up Beaver for half the Big$$$ and Bull for the other half and let TR be flooded. Just have to put enough money in the right hands , eh , wot?

They didn't have to build all that crap in the flood zone, hard to feel sympathy for stupid. Every flood plain is surrounded by hills, people should live on hills. The Army just builds those dams so that they have a job, eh?

Real floods go down after a while,dang lakes never go away.

I would rather they err on the cautious side in the early stages of such invasions, because once the invasion in rooted in it is likely impossible to extirpate; example the carp. But I hope that when the follow up science proves the invasion a false scare that the states would follow Vermont's example and lift the ban, even though I personally never liked felt soles. I was wet wading in canvas shoes at the time Mo. banned the felt and exchanged emails with someone at MDC questioning if they too were banned, because the laces and insides would be just as apt to transfer organisms, he got a bit testy in his second or third reply and I dropped it. The boot washes were apparently never maintained from the start, installed and and forgotten. Like the pit toilets they used to have at some accesses that eventually got torn down, money gets allocated to build or install things but then the managers of an area never get money for maintenance or repairs. The accesses here are part of the Forestry division and Foresters seem to only visit an area when the timber is marketable. Makes me wonder if one division/agency built the boot washes and and another agency didn't care to maintain them? Areas like the parks that are coop managed probably have gray areas of responsibility where each agency can blame the other.

Actually Vermont went back in 2016. I think that leaves five states with a ban and with the science now saying the stuff is native every where in the Northern Hemisphere. I don't see why more bans would be expected. Add phosphorus. Too many other porous materials aren't banned for it to make any difference, pants, canvas waders, sneakers, socks, braided line etc etc ...

My rain gauge showed just a bump over 4.5" this time. Of course that goes to Grand Lake but radar looked like they were getting just as much over the hill.